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Quanta Protection Spell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37325.msg468850#msg468850
« on: March 08, 2012, 09:54:40 pm »
Basic idea is a cheaper, temporary version of Sanctuary (& hopefully more balanced). Was thinking 1 quanta in-element unupped, 1 any-element upped. Card text: "Target player's quanta cannot be altered during opponent's next turn."

Nice, cheap way to counter Discord, BH, Diss Shield, Solar Shield, etc.

Which element could/should have this?
Would it even be a good addition to the game?

Any feedback appreciated.

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Re: Quanta Protection Spell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37325.msg468858#msg468858
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2012, 10:36:06 pm »
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Re: Quanta Protection Spell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37325.msg468859#msg468859
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2012, 10:38:37 pm »
Hmm. Well, the effect probably doesn't need to be an exact duplicate of Sanctuary - for example, Meniscus (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,35997) protects any pool from being lowered below 5. A one-turn spell seems sort of weak/situational/redundant though, unless there is another effect to boost the protection. (Hypothetical Example : 2  :light "Target player's quanta cannot be altered during opponent's next turn. Draw a card." )

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Re: Quanta Protection Spell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37325.msg468861#msg468861
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2012, 10:44:13 pm »
Hmm. Well, the effect probably doesn't need to be an exact duplicate of Sanctuary - for example, Meniscus (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,35997) protects any pool from being lowered below 5. A one-turn spell seems sort of weak/situational/redundant though, unless there is another effect to boost the protection. (Hypothetical Example : 2  :light "Target player's quanta cannot be altered during opponent's next turn. Draw a card." )
hum, a kind of precog that covers your quanta? i like the idea

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Re: Quanta Protection Spell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37325.msg469194#msg469194
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2012, 05:12:34 am »
I was thinking about this and Quantum Flash and I came up with something that might be too powerful, but is certainly incredibly interesting.  I wasn't sure if it was original enough to post it as a separate card idea, and it'd need feedback anyways, but what about a card that protects ONE quanta pool from being altered at all(possibly for a limited amount of time)? This would let mark-based decks like Ghostmare protect their valuable quanta from BH, Devourers and Discord, give a bit of breathing room for monos, and let rainbows have a small amount of control over what quanta colorless takes.  It seems versatile enough to be used in many decks yet not overpowered if its cost is balanced correctly.  Anyways, just thought I'd bring up the possibility, see what people think of it, and if it's original enough from UTA's idea to deserve a separate thread.

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Re: Quanta Protection Spell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37325.msg469196#msg469196
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2012, 05:27:52 am »
Love cheesy's idea. Its the kind of buff monos need that a rainbow cant just steal for its own.

As for element heres a few ideas: Light(protection) Time(if its one turn and you draw a card, perhaps a time bubble effect or something)  Gravity(black hole pulls it away, why not be able to pull it tighter to yourself? also gravity needs this the most, imo.)
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Re: Quanta Protection Spell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37325.msg469197#msg469197
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2012, 05:29:22 am »
Love cheesy's idea. Its the kind of buff monos need that a rainbow cant just steal for its own.

As for element heres a few ideas: Light(protection) Time(if its one turn and you draw a card, perhaps a time bubble effect or something)  Gravity(black hole pulls it away, why not be able to pull it tighter to yourself? also gravity needs this the most, imo.)
Well, to be fair, it's also a kind of buff for rainbows in that you can semi-control colorless quanta, but I think it buffs monos and duos more than it buffs rainbows by far.  Plus it provides an answer to Discord that helps the main problem people seem to have with it (I can't even get started!).

A few other thoughts:
Definitely a spell that acts for a limited duration (think SoSac), a permanent like this would be too powerful as I'm intending it to be cheap, and it would ruin the point if it could be denied by Steal or Explosion.
As for element, I'm thinking either aether for untouchability (phase dragons, immortals, quintessence, anubis, dim shield) or gravity for the same thematic reason you mentioned (pulling something in to protect it).  I'd really rather not have it be light as it would look too similar to Sanctuary, and while I would love for Time to have this card just because I love Time it doesn't fit thematically at all, and doesn't fulfill an incredibly pressing metagame need either in my opinion.

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Re: Quanta Protection Spell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37325.msg469224#msg469224
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2012, 06:28:40 am »
Ah, the time element idea was at the earlier post
A one-turn spell seems sort of weak/situational/redundant though, unless there is another effect to boost the protection. (Hypothetical Example : 2  :light "Target player's quanta cannot be altered during opponent's next turn. Draw a card." )
Aether could work, and is another element that could make use of it due to their cards high cost. On the other hand, theyre already fairly strong and can sort of counter quanta denial, at least more easily than gravity. I'd say go gravy first, then change if thats what the community wants. I agree light, while thematic, would be redundant.
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