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Brainwash|Manipulation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57512.msg1178157#msg1178157
« on: February 03, 2015, 03:28:53 am »
NAME:
Brainwash
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
4 :aether
TYPE:
Spell
TEXT:
Targeted creature has a 30% chance to attack ally creatures or its owner
NAME:
Manipulation
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
4 :aether
TYPE:
Spell
TEXT:
Targeted creature has a 40% chance to attack ally creatures or its owner

ART:
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IDEA:
AD Storm Bolt
NOTES:
So, this card was inspired by the Liquid Antimatter combo and how the creatures switch sides. So here is an Aether version of turning enemy creatures against their owner. I think that the probability isn't too high, although I could change it to a 100% chance with an increase in cost. Feedback? Criticism?
« Last Edit: February 03, 2015, 04:52:18 am by AD Storm Bolt »
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Re: Brainwash|Manipulation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57512.msg1178203#msg1178203
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2015, 09:14:53 am »
creature stealing has been suggested, and shot down many times simply for being PU on steroids.
if the creature attacked another of the owner's creatures/owner, it may be more balanced, however the 30% should be removed imo

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Re: Brainwash|Manipulation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57512.msg1178212#msg1178212
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2015, 10:59:11 am »
Is the concept of creature stealing really that bad? It's close to antimatter, except for the fact that it damages the enemy instead of simply healing you, which warrants for a higher cost of course as this is supposed to be a two-card combo (AM+LS). Something like 10 :aether is needed to balance it, so I think making it 30% chance instead is a nice alternative.

But  :aether isn't really the best element to add soft CC to, maybe this suits  :light better? Randomness and confusion is attributed to  :entropy, but this card is competing with Antimatter's role.

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Re: Brainwash|Manipulation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57512.msg1178252#msg1178252
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2015, 06:02:01 pm »
Aether actually already has this card, at least in deck form.
It's called SoW reflect.

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Take what liquid antimatter does, and trade some healing for being almost completely undealable with once it happens.
It's probably the best deck of its kind - If your phoenix gets SoW reflected, GG. And yes, this thing can shred immorushes. The only creature-based deck I think it actually has a problem is is the wide monodarkness, that uses vampires and eclipse. (monoair rushes too, but I can dominate those on bad draws.)

Now, I don't think aether, or any element, needs two SoW reflect-esque decks/cards. I question this card's efficiency at 30%, too.

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Re: Brainwash|Manipulation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57512.msg1178312#msg1178312
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2015, 12:57:03 am »
Aether has the most powerful unupped hard CC in the game. I don't think it needs more CC. I suggest changing the element to Darkness or Entropy, or even Light with a different name. That said, I think the card idea is really cool. 30% should be enough for the cost, considering Liquid Antimatter is essentially 100% + heal for 2 cards, 8 :entropy , and 4 :darkness , and SoW/Reflect is 100% + immortal for 1  :light and 2 :aether . 30% for 4 :aether seems balanced, considering the damage, say, a dragon could do.
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Re: Brainwash|Manipulation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57512.msg1178315#msg1178315
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2015, 12:59:17 am »
Is the concept of creature stealing really that bad? It's close to antimatter, except for the fact that it damages the enemy instead of simply healing you, which warrants for a higher cost of course as this is supposed to be a two-card combo (AM+LS). Something like 10 :aether is needed to balance it, so I think making it 30% chance instead is a nice alternative.

But  :aether isn't really the best element to add soft CC to, maybe this suits  :light better? Randomness and confusion is attributed to  :entropy, but this card is competing with Antimatter's role.

Yeah, I've tried multiple times to think of a fitting CC card to Light (since it doesn't have one), but Light is a bit hard to think of CC options, I can only really think of things like blinding and overall elemental hate for Darkness and Death (which already exists in the form of Holy Flash), so...

Maybe, instead of having the mechanic also have a chance to target the owner, maybe the creature just targets its allies instead (100% and increased cost.. by a lot)..? Would that still be too similar, or does that add its own little twist on the whole "creature stealing" idea?

Aether has the most powerful unupped hard CC in the game. I don't think it needs more CC. I suggest changing the element to Darkness or Entropy, or even Light with a different name. That said, I think the card idea is really cool. 30% should be enough for the cost, considering Liquid Antimatter is essentially 100% + heal for 2 cards, 8 :entropy , and 4 :darkness , and SoW/Reflect is 100% + immortal for 1  :light and 2 :aether . 30% for 4 :aether seems balanced, considering the damage, say, a dragon could do.

Yeah, I'll try to think of a different element that has limited creature control.. I would say Light, but that's a bit difficult to fit onto this card mechanic.. maybe have it be that the light is so blinding that there's like a mirage or something? I dunno.
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Re: Brainwash|Manipulation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57512.msg1178317#msg1178317
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2015, 01:03:32 am »
Light is blinding. Blinded creatures tend to lash out randomly. Change card name to Blind or Befuddle.
Alternative route: Light is good. Showing a creature the right path would make it defect to your side. Change card name to Enlighten or Turn.
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Re: Brainwash|Manipulation https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57512.msg1178333#msg1178333
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2015, 03:32:22 am »
Light is blinding. Blinded creatures tend to lash out randomly. Change card name to Blind or Befuddle.
Alternative route: Light is good. Showing a creature the right path would make it defect to your side. Change card name to Enlighten or Turn.
The elements' themes are soft and malleable. With some effort, you can make anything fit.

Hmm, makes sense, Light could work.

But, I kind of had an idea for a Light hard CC card (I know that this one is ,in theory, very dangerous CC, but not like "boom" and creatures die), since Light really needs some form of definite CC, not just for Darkness and Death.

EDIT: Okay, I'm using your idea for Light, I might change the names a little bit, but yeah.. thanks! :D Is the card itself good though? Is the cost reasonable and the effect worth using? Should I increase the chance of attacking creatures, maybe to 50%?

This is what I have now, you can suggest some better names, I just wanted to show that its a blinding blast of light (and unfortunately, Blind and Befuddle do not show that.. :( oh well..). And I decided that it should only be to attack ally creatures, not creatures and owner. Is it good so far?

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