Upped War? Is it possible?

[Korugar]

Well, there go my numbers out the window

[Malduk]

I'm not sure what to think of it. First let me say that I would easily be able to play for any team with upped cards, but... upgraded environment is not as balanced as unupped IMO. There are clear better decks/strategies there.
I also like the way unupped cards mix with upped cards; when you are forced to use unupped, but have access to certain amount of upgraded cards to put in your deck, deckbuilding gets much more interesting as suddenly you're working with more cards than this game actually has (if you opt for strictly going with upped OR unupped). I dont think fully upped war would be any more interesting than fully unupped war. IMO, it would be LESS interesting.

[Sir Valimont]

One could go the other extreme and say that unupped cards are ILLEGAL. That would constrain most players to what cards they have upped and add a whole lot of strategy in terms of deckbuilding. Leading up to the War, grinding for 15K extra electrum would also be very meaningful, and spending that many on certain upgrades would also entail significant strategy.

I would also suggest that the War should be designed to be much shorter so it's not such a major drain on community resources ... which also would make it more doable.

[QuantumT]

I don't think I'd go as far as to ban them entirely. I think malduk had a good point when he said the decision of what to up and what not to up is part of what would make partially upped cards interesting.

If nothing else, I wouldn't ban completely them just because there are some decks that specifically want unupped cards.

I think were the issue comes in is how to make it so that some teams aren't at a huge disadvantage just because they don't have members with a huge number of upped cards. I suppose as long as people were required to give the number of upped cards they have accurately, this could be seen as part of the auction, ie players that have a large number of upped cards will be more valuable because of the options they have available.

Another option is just to not allow upped towers/pends. I think this is the area where most people fall short. For example, I have about 600 upped cards, but I'd be surprised if I had more than 200 pillars/pends. On second thought though, maybe it wouldn't be too big of a deal because most of the time you only really use quanta sources from your element anyway, and buying 15 of each of those afterwards wouldn't be too hard.

[Korugar]

Well, if there's less players, then the vaults would(presumably) be smaller, and that would make it go a lot faster, wouldn't it?

[kobisjeruk]

either you guys somehow skipped page 3 or just fail to notice that it was already mentioned...

one way to make it even more constricting is to make upped cards mandatory (i.e. must use upped cards only)

Yeah, I was thinking about the same thing as well. Otherwise people with a handful of upped cards might join just for fun, and the whole event would be unbalanced.

[QuantumT]

I still think that making them mandatory would be overly restrictive to deck building. Like what if I'm team life and I want to make an adreanastave deck or I want to use nova in my rush? I think if you're having an upped war, then you shouldn't impose any restrictions that would force suboptimal decks.

I also like malduk's point about the strategy that's involved in deciding what to up.

Perhaps something in the middle? Like all decks must use 15 upped cards?

[kobisjeruk]

having all upgraded doesnt mean having to build suboptimal decks, it means you will have to come up with a different strategy which i think makes this more interesting
cant use adren-staff? think of something else then
cant use nova-based rainbow? again, think of something else
the only restriction is one that you impose on yourself thinking only a certain deck could work a certain way

[QuantumT]

But there are some decks that you are tossing aside to have the rule. Maybe not a ton, but some.

Also, forcing cards to be upped would be that people couldn't really use their nymphs either, as no one wants to up their nymphs.

[Korugar]

I agree with QuantumT, here. I originally thought a person should be required to use all, or close to all, upped cards. However, he brings up a good point. Even if you don't care that some cards are better unupped in certain situations, some cards are entirely different(mostly Entropy cards).

[$$$man]

$$$man: Well, I think he would have more than enough if he hadn't been banned so many times....(you should really quit that, $$$man), so I guess it just depends on the specific day.

Have not been banned for a while now. (Although I do have proof one of my old ones has been hacked....)

That said I do have roughly 230-ish upped cards.

[kobisjeruk]

Also, forcing cards to be upped would be that people couldn't really use their nymphs either, as no one wants to up their nymphs.

is it really a big issue not being able to play with your unupgraded nymphs? i think not
if you really must, upgrade them then

Even if you don't care that some cards are better unupped in certain situations, some cards are entirely different(mostly Entropy cards).

like i already said, use different strategy then