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RNG-less https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43643.msg1002037#msg1002037
« on: September 23, 2012, 08:31:12 am »
RNGless - Rules
Original idea by: AnnaMall   |   Developed by: Annele    |   Art by: -    |   Organized by: -


The RNG godess is dead! Using unupgraded cards, players battle in a non-random, controlled environment by using their Elements knowledge and observation skills.


1. SIGNING UP

Anyone with a forum and a chat account can sign up for this event. Start by reading the rules very carefully. Then sign up by posting on a separate sign up topic. If you cannot find a sign up topic, or if it is locked, this event is not currently active, and you will have to wait for it to restart.

Maximum amount of participants for this event is 16. If the event is full, you can still sign up as a reserve player, and will get a chance to join the event if any of the 16 players doesn't show up during round 1.


2. GETTING READY

Build one deck of any size (from 30 to 60 cards), without using any cards that provide random results.
- You may use any non-upgraded cards in the game that are not banned.
- Shards are banned.
- 0-cost cards (except pillars/pends) are banned.
- Cards that allow card manipulation before they are played are banned. (Hand and Deck)
- The cards you may not use are:

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4sa 4t4 4t5 4t6 4t7 4ta 4tb 4tc 4td 4te 4tf 4th 4ti 4tj 4tk 4tl 4tm 4vi 4vk 4vl 4vm 4vp 52l 52m 5c3 5i9 5lj 5og 5ri 5um 5uo 4vj 5f9 5l9 61p 5rl 5rp 5rr 5s4 623 624



3. BRACKETS

This event is a double-elimination tournament and uses two kinds of brackets: winners brackets and losers brackets. Everyone starts out in the winners brackets. When you lose the first time, you will drop down to the losers bracket. When you lose the second time, you will be eliminated from the event. The final match will be between the winner of winners brackets, and the winner of losers brackets.

In short, if you lose two times, you are out. If you don't lose two times, you win.


4. DUELS

Decide a time that best suits you and your opponent. You have 5 days to do so. If no time is agreed on, the person who was more active in trying to find a time will gain the win.
Once you have a time sorted with your opponent, PM the organiser with your chosen deck and the time you have settled on. You will get PMed back the sync-in you will use, set up for the upcoming match. Depending on when you and your opponent go to this sync-in, you may get an advantage by know your opponent's deck before they know yours. Changing anything in the sync-in is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN before the match. The organiser will keep a record of all the matches, and will review each sync-in after the round. It is possible matches will be watched as well.
Any form of cheating is taken VERY seriously, and will be dealt with in the way cheating is usually dealt with.

Matches will occur in the style of the Card Idea Battles with one exception; there will be no use of external (or internal) RNGs. Feel free to go there and familiarise yourself with the style of play.
There will be a sync-in created for these matches.

YES. You choose your starting hand, AND any cards you draw.

Matches are best-of-one. Yes, this means if you lose once, you lose the round. This is because each game will be about 30 minutes to an hour long.


5. AFTER DUELS

The first poster will edit the title of the thread to " [Round X] Player 1 - winner vs Player 2 "
Your match will be looked over by the organiser to make sure no mistakes were made.

You may change your deck between each duel.


6. REWARDS
The winner of the event will receive the following forum award icon: TBA
« Last Edit: March 04, 2013, 05:14:10 am by Annele »
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Re: RNG-less https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43643.msg1002039#msg1002039
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2012, 08:53:10 am »
[04:52] <Annele> plz post on it btw guys, it makes me look good

Yes, it makes you look good.
Also looks like a rather interesting pvp event... hmm.
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Re: RNG-less https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43643.msg1002045#msg1002045
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2012, 09:21:19 am »
I see nothing random about Mindgate beyond the fact that they use your opponent's draw, which is random. However, it's a basic mechanism of the game, and Mindgate itself isn't random or adds anything random. Apart from that, it seems thematically solid.
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Re: RNG-less https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43643.msg1002163#msg1002163
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2012, 08:16:49 pm »
I see nothing random about Mindgate beyond the fact that they use your opponent's draw, which is random. However, it's a basic mechanism of the game, and Mindgate itself isn't random or adds anything random. Apart from that, it seems thematically solid.

Thanks, I was just using the same list I created in the last hour of round 3 of Brawl. (And this was well after midnight for me.) Anyways, fixed. Are there any other mistakes?
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Re: RNG-less https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43643.msg1002166#msg1002166
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2012, 08:26:43 pm »
I see nothing random about Mindgate beyond the fact that they use your opponent's draw, which is random. However, it's a basic mechanism of the game, and Mindgate itself isn't random or adds anything random. Apart from that, it seems thematically solid.

Thanks, I was just using the same list I created in the last hour of round 3 of Brawl. (And this was well after midnight for me.) Anyways, fixed. Are there any other mistakes?

How is Luci random?

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Re: RNG-less https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43643.msg1002167#msg1002167
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2012, 08:31:01 pm »
I see nothing random about Mindgate beyond the fact that they use your opponent's draw, which is random. However, it's a basic mechanism of the game, and Mindgate itself isn't random or adds anything random. Apart from that, it seems thematically solid.

Thanks, I was just using the same list I created in the last hour of round 3 of Brawl. (And this was well after midnight for me.) Anyways, fixed. Are there any other mistakes?

How is Luci random?

Random quanta cost.
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Re: RNG-less https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43643.msg1002168#msg1002168
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2012, 08:32:28 pm »
I see nothing random about Mindgate beyond the fact that they use your opponent's draw, which is random. However, it's a basic mechanism of the game, and Mindgate itself isn't random or adds anything random. Apart from that, it seems thematically solid.

Thanks, I was just using the same list I created in the last hour of round 3 of Brawl. (And this was well after midnight for me.) Anyways, fixed. Are there any other mistakes?
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Re: RNG-less https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43643.msg1002171#msg1002171
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2012, 08:36:01 pm »
I don't see why the Other weapons and Shield are random

Random quanta cost.
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Re: RNG-less https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43643.msg1002186#msg1002186
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2012, 09:24:26 pm »
I would caution each player to take 3-5 minutes to notice each deck and plan a strategy before beginning. RNG-less EtG is much closer to Chess than Yahtzee.
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Re: RNG-less https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43643.msg1002267#msg1002267
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2012, 03:21:41 am »
Nova should be banned (because of Singularities).
You probably also have to ban a couple overpowered turn one plays, for example Photon + Immo x 2 + Precognition or 4 Time Pillar + 2 Aether Pillar + Aether Mark followed by Hourglass and six turn Silence-Chain. (Banning Precog and Silence seems best here.)
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Re: RNG-less https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43643.msg1002284#msg1002284
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2012, 05:12:12 am »
Nova should be banned (because of Singularities).
You probably also have to ban a couple overpowered turn one plays, for example Photon + Immo x 2 + Precognition or 4 Time Pillar + 2 Aether Pillar + Aether Mark followed by Hourglass and six turn Silence-Chain. (Banning Precog and Silence seems best here.)

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Re: RNG-less https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43643.msg1047323#msg1047323
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2013, 11:27:28 am »
I would love to see an RNG-less tournament, but with CI&A carsd instead of normal ETG cards. :)
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