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Artifical pregnancy--Is abortion still OK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6733.msg71942#msg71942
« on: May 20, 2010, 08:19:20 pm »
You can imagine at some point in the not-too-distant future, it would be possible to nurture a developing embryo/fetus/baby totally outside a uterus.  That is, there could be a test-tube baby like they have in all those sci-fi movies.  This technology could be offered to couples who have certain disorders that do not let them sustain a pregnancy the normal way (instead of the typical storyline that involves forming a clone army or alien gene splicing experiments or whatever.)  That's no the point of the thread.

The question I have:  Would abortion still be permissible in this case?  Without a woman's body involved, would a developing fetus have the same lack of right to exist as one in a typical pregnancy?

If you vote "Yes with exceptions" please explain what situations you envision.  Thanks!
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Re: Artifical pregnancy--Is abortion still OK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6733.msg74260#msg74260
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 12:33:34 am »
I think you might want to check out the abortion thread abortion: why so serious to see what people have already said about abortion. ( I'm on my phon I can't link it)

As for me, my stance would be a little more conservative I suppose since it would be stupid to create a baby purposefully and then dispose of it. Making the choice to create a baby artificially would obviously be a decisive move why would you decide to undo it?

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Re: Artifical pregnancy--Is abortion still OK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6733.msg120676#msg120676
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2010, 03:17:52 am »
well, imo its still a human even if the pregnancy was artificial, so it shouldnt be treated any different than if it wasnt an artificial one.
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Re: Artifical pregnancy--Is abortion still OK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6733.msg127093#msg127093
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2010, 09:37:38 am »
Interesting problem. While I have nothing against abortion, I do believe it should not be taken so lightly. If you are having a child you cannot support or if there is no father, I say abortion is the humane way to go. The world population keeps growing, so why add one extra person that is going to be miserable?

Now a child in an incubator was placed. This action was planned, so then someone wanted the child. There should be no reason for an abortion, unless if something happened. The parents to be can die or a power blackout could mutilate the child. 
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Re: Artifical pregnancy--Is abortion still OK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6733.msg127127#msg127127
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2010, 12:00:23 pm »
Interesting problem. While I have nothing against abortion, I do believe it should not be taken so lightly. If you are having a child you cannot support or if there is no father, I say abortion is the humane way to go. The world population keeps growing, so why add one extra person that is going to be miserable?

Now a child in an incubator was placed. This action was planned, so then someone wanted the child. There should be no reason for an abortion, unless if something happened. The parents to be can die or a power blackout could mutilate the child.
This is actually a remarkably good point. For an artificial pregnancy there should be very little reason to get an abortion since it was obviously planned.
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Re: Artifical pregnancy--Is abortion still OK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6733.msg129151#msg129151
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2010, 03:00:24 pm »
Interesting problem. While I have nothing against abortion, I do believe it should not be taken so lightly. If you are having a child you cannot support or if there is no father, I say abortion is the humane way to go. The world population keeps growing, so why add one extra person that is going to be miserable?

Now a child in an incubator was placed. This action was planned, so then someone wanted the child. There should be no reason for an abortion, unless if something happened. The parents to be can die or a power blackout could mutilate the child.
This is actually a remarkably good point. For an artificial pregnancy there should be very little reason to get an abortion since it was obviously planned.
It is a good point. The question it brings up is: Why did you put the child in a artificial womb? But this doesn't really answer this topics question, which is: Does a fetus in an artificial womb have the same (lack of) rights as a fetus growing in a woman's womb?

Let's just change the situation hypothetically as it is:
Suppose that somehow, my wife and I accidentally dropped our accidentally test tube-fertilized egg into an artificial womb, and did not find out until the egg had grown into a fetus (if I had a nickel for every time that happened to me..).
This situation might be compared with me accidentally impregnating her. Would it make any difference for our choice whether or not to abort the child? 

I agree with BluePriest.

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Re: Artifical pregnancy--Is abortion still OK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6733.msg135206#msg135206
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2010, 04:49:30 pm »
Suppose that somehow, my wife and I accidentally dropped our accidentally test tube-fertilized egg into an artificial womb, and did not find out until the egg had grown into a fetus (if I had a nickel for every time that happened to me..).
This situation might be compared with me accidentally impregnating her. Would it make any difference for our choice whether or not to abort the child? 
I raise the question: Who gets to make the decision about aborting the baby?  In your case, one or both of the "parents-to-be" would apparently be the ones who have the authority to end the baby's life.

What if the "test tube-fertilized egg" accidentally fell into another woman's womb?  Who is the "parent-to-be" in this case who would have authority to end the baby's life?  Should this unlucky recipient be subject to the wishes of the egg/sperm donors in this case?

This is not total fantasy after all: "Wrong embryo implanted into woman" (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/09/22/Wrong-embryo-implanted-into-woman/UPI-68801253651676/)
This woman decided to take the baby to term and give it over to his/her parents/"rightful owners".  But should this woman have decided to abort the baby, would that have been wrong?
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