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Re: everyone needs to see this! internet censorship is happening right now! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35778.msg450425#msg450425
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2012, 05:01:43 am »
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It's three bills before congress,
I've read SOPA, and most of Protect IP, although I haven't gotten through all of Protect IP's yet, and  half of OPEN
SOPA and PIPA are the ones that are the most dangerous, OPEN is much better and is the EFF's proposal, but I still don't like OPEN, but for different reasons
A big part of it is the wording and methods.

You are right to initially get around SOPA and PIPA, most sites will simply shift their domains over to a foreign registrar to get around the DNS blocking for example...  but that's just opening a greater security risk for commerce than we already have.  But let's say they take the DNS provision out as some are saying they will...

You still have a major fair use / free speech change to be done in the language, that significantly grants more copyright power.  Now granted it would be challenged in the Supreme Court most likely, but we don't know those results either...

However, there
So is it going to shutdown the internet overnight, absolutely not. 

So why push, it's time for a by gone age to be gone.  The internet has not had much effect and strength yet as a body, but it's growing and the collective including your opinion is shifting the way the U.S. works, as you will see in another posting...  many like me are hoping this would be the thing to start shifting the momentum...  enough to overhaul the copyright and patent systems as a whole a year or two down the line.  Also, to show that the Corporate control of the media is losing it's hold.  There is much more on the line, the world's ideologies are changing, America's ideologies are changing,  it just so happens a battle line was drawn here...  so pick a side, but don't call it silly.


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Re: everyone needs to see this! internet censorship is happening right now! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35778.msg450588#msg450588
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2012, 10:05:49 pm »
I like and respect ddevans, but I feel like he's being a frog in slowly heating water here.
Touche.

But I do still believe that, although much of the wording in SOPA can be seen as ambiguous, it is meant to have a positive effect, and that it will indeed by used in a positive way.

The situation is much the same here as in my group at lunch. Being the red frog in the pond (to modify your analogy) in both places, I intend to do still more reading on SOPA.
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Re: everyone needs to see this! internet censorship is happening right now! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35778.msg450598#msg450598
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2012, 10:40:03 pm »
No, I don't think it's a big deal, and no, I don't think it's going to shut down the internet (least of all us).

Arguing any further should be pointless for me, because it's probably 1 against 100, and I don't like to get too far into arguments that don't have any chance in the world to be productive. But I would like to ask one thing:

How many people have actually READ the bill?


I have read a few portions and some notes on it and it is a pretty big deal as yes it could easily ruin the internet BUT obama has said he is against it and will veto it if it reaches his desk so there although it is a concerning bill it isnt worth THAT much worrying about

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Re: everyone needs to see this! internet censorship is happening right now! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35778.msg450707#msg450707
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2012, 05:53:34 am »
No, I don't think it's a big deal, and no, I don't think it's going to shut down the internet (least of all us).

Arguing any further should be pointless for me, because it's probably 1 against 100, and I don't like to get too far into arguments that don't have any chance in the world to be productive. But I would like to ask one thing:

How many people have actually READ the bill?


I have read a few portions and some notes on it and it is a pretty big deal as yes it could easily ruin the internet BUT obama has said he is against it and will veto it if it reaches his desk so there although it is a concerning bill it isnt worth THAT much worrying about
He said he'd veto the NDAA, too, but he signed that recently. But it's true that we may not have to worry about these bills any longer. A lot of senators have removed their support for them after the massive protests yesterday. :D

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Re: everyone needs to see this! internet censorship is happening right now! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35778.msg450712#msg450712
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2012, 06:17:52 am »
No, I don't think it's a big deal, and no, I don't think it's going to shut down the internet (least of all us).

Arguing any further should be pointless for me, because it's probably 1 against 100, and I don't like to get too far into arguments that don't have any chance in the world to be productive. But I would like to ask one thing:

How many people have actually READ the bill?


I have read a few portions and some notes on it and it is a pretty big deal as yes it could easily ruin the internet BUT obama has said he is against it and will veto it if it reaches his desk so there although it is a concerning bill it isnt worth THAT much worrying about
He said he'd veto the NDAA, too, but he signed that recently. But it's true that we may not have to worry about these bills any longer. A lot of senators have removed their support for them after the massive protests yesterday. :D
Even if he does veto, it can be overruled. However based on an email I got from one of the petition groups Im in, in the past week the number of congress men opposing the bill jumped from 5 to 35, with a minimum of 41 opposing for it to fail (so if you havent written your letter yet, go do it).
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Re: everyone needs to see this! internet censorship is happening right now! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35778.msg450788#msg450788
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2012, 04:05:29 pm »

Either way, hooray for massive protest and number bump.

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Re: everyone needs to see this! internet censorship is happening right now! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35778.msg450796#msg450796
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2012, 04:29:24 pm »

Either way, hooray for massive protest and number bump.
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Re: everyone needs to see this! internet censorship is happening right now! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35778.msg450897#msg450897
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Re: everyone needs to see this! internet censorship is happening right now! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35778.msg450905#msg450905
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2012, 11:17:34 pm »
There, no SOPA or PIPA, until they can rework it, yall happy now?
Nope. NDAA, Patriot Act ...
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Re: everyone needs to see this! internet censorship is happening right now! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35778.msg453525#msg453525
« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2012, 06:58:25 pm »
Oh and don't forget about the trade agreement one.. ACTA I think it's called.

 

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