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Obama to sign law ending military gay ban https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17848.msg227740#msg227740
« on: December 18, 2010, 11:38:26 pm »
Here is the news article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101218/ap_on_go_co/us_gays_in_military

Any thoughts on this? I personally love it and am glad it's finally happening. It's been too long that don't ask don't tell has been in the military and it's a large step for gay rights.
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Re: Obama to sign law ending military gay ban https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17848.msg227741#msg227741
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2010, 11:39:12 pm »
i never understood why gays werent allowed in the military. im glad this happened
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Re: Obama to sign law ending military gay ban https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17848.msg227750#msg227750
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2010, 11:51:18 pm »
For the same reason blacks and whites used to not be able to marry, or blacks couldn't serve in the military, or women couldn't vote, and all the other injustice that has been throughout the years.

But one by one, each one was fought, and the rightful party won. And now finally one more group is slowly making a change and it's mark on the country for the better.
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Re: Obama to sign law ending military gay ban https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17848.msg227755#msg227755
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2010, 11:54:34 pm »
Isn't there a "don't ask, don't tell" policy going on in the us' army?
And well, I really don't think it will make much of a difference, as I believe anybody who wanted to join the army just said he was straight... I guess it will make a difference as they will be more open regarding their sexuaility?

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Re: Obama to sign law ending military gay ban https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17848.msg227765#msg227765
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2010, 12:03:40 am »
Yes, the US military had a Don't Ask, Don't tell policy, and if you were found out or admitted to being gay, you were kicked out. But the repeal of DADT means that gays can openly serve in the military without being kicked out due to their orientation. And you are right, as far as the military services go, nothing too much will really change, or most likely wouldn't change. It's just a large step for gay rights, and now they don't have to lie in order to serve their country.
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Re: Obama to sign law ending military gay ban https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17848.msg227792#msg227792
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2010, 12:33:35 am »
Yes, the US military had a Don't Ask, Don't tell policy, and if you were found out or admitted to being gay, you were kicked out. But the repeal of DADT means that gays can openly serve in the military without being kicked out due to their orientation. And you are right, as far as the military services go, nothing too much will really change, or most likely wouldn't change. It's just a large step for gay rights, and now they don't have to lie in order to serve their country.
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Re: Obama to sign law ending military gay ban https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17848.msg227805#msg227805
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2010, 12:53:51 am »
All I know is if someone's going out there to get shot at in my place, I'm not going to ask which way he swings.

Of course, at this point our military is so overblown that new recruits aren't really helping protect America's freedom.  We could defend this country with a military a tenth of the size it is now.

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Re: Obama to sign law ending military gay ban https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17848.msg227826#msg227826
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2010, 01:34:28 am »
well, military problems aside, I think it is a step in the right direction of equal protection under the law.


I hope that within a generation we won't have any more of these issues where certain groups are treated differently under the law...

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Re: Obama to sign law ending military gay ban https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17848.msg228852#msg228852
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2010, 01:56:13 am »
All I know is if someone's going out there to get shot at in my place, I'm not going to ask which way he swings.

Of course, at this point our military is so overblown that new recruits aren't really helping protect America's freedom.  We could defend this country with a military a tenth of the size it is now.
Point well made.  "We're actually kind of replacing other countries militaries." is what a friend of mine said on the topic.

Otherwise, that's great.  America is after all, where "are men are created equal".

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Re: Obama to sign law ending military gay ban https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17848.msg232586#msg232586
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2010, 05:08:48 am »
I have always felt that if somebody was signing up for a job where they could potentially catch a bullet (and not in the Superman way) it shouldn't matter what they do in their bedroom on their own time. That goes for any job for that matter, but I'm glad it's done and over with for the military.

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Re: Obama to sign law ending military gay ban https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17848.msg232601#msg232601
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2010, 05:50:33 am »
The reason i think they kept homosexuality hidden is because it would cause disruptances. imagine if two homosexuals were left on guard duty and just decided to make out and f eachother right there. we would have a huge problem. i dont care if you are gay or not. i have plenty of gay friends. i think for there own safety they should stay out of the military.

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Re: Obama to sign law ending military gay ban https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17848.msg232622#msg232622
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2010, 06:27:30 am »
Sorry, the same argument has been made against women in the military. Didn't turn into an issue there, and I don't think that will be an issue now. Hell, there have been gay men and women in the military forever anyway (Alexander the Great anyone). Being out isn't going to cause them to act unprofessional. And I think that the non gay friendly soldiers will get used to the idea once a few of them have their asses saved by a gay comrade.

 

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