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My Politics: Team America Style (warning - LOTS of profanity.) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12439.msg155835#msg155835
« on: September 10, 2010, 08:44:46 pm »
 I'm not a Democrat.  I'm not a Republican, either.  In fact, I was just talking with my wife about starting a political movement called "More Dicks".


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See, there's three kinds of people: dicks, pussies, and assholes. Pussies think everyone can get along, and dicks just want to fuck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your assholes, Chuck. And all the assholes want us to shit all over everything! So, pussies may get mad at dicks once in a while, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes, Chuck. And if they didn't fuck the assholes, you know what you'd get? You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in shit!




My idea is this: Republicans are assholes.  Democrats are pussies.  (See where this is going?)  We need dicks.  Dicks to fuck the pussies AND the assholes.  A political movement that isn't "lefter than X" or "righter than Y", but is based on a few basic principles:
 
 
1) Separation of business and state.  Stricter than that of church and state.  If you have ever worked for any industry, you cannot be a part of any governmental body that relates to that industry.  At all.  Ever.  If you worked for McDonalds for 2 months in high school, you can't ever be in the FDA.  Period.  End of story.  Fuck Republicans.
 
2) The size of government doesn't matter.  The world has functional governments that are tiny, and functional governments that are huge.  What matters is how EFFICIENT government is.  The instant the bureaucracy starts expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy, you've gone too far.  I don't care if the government employs half the country as long as they can buy a goddamn toilet seat for $12.50 like everyone else does.  Fuck Democrats.
 
3) No one donates a goddamn thing to any political campaign anywhere except through a completely Internet-based and utterly anonymous system, and telling a politican you donated to him is punishable by death. Similarly, a politican concealing that someone told him about a donation is punishable by death. Fuck 'special interests'.
 
4) Corporations want to be people?  Fine -- let them go to jail for their crimes. Any time a corporation is found guilty of anything, their liscense to do business in the United States is suspended for the duration of their "jail term".  If they're caught doing business without a license, they're fined 100x the amount of gross profit they made from the business they did without a license.  Fuck corporations.
 
5) One term per politician. I don't care how long it is, but there is no longer any such thing as 're-election'. Once you've held an office, you cannot ever hold a lower-ranking office.  You can still work your way up the ladder, but once you're done, you're done.  Fuck career politicians.
 
6) Unless there's an economic emergency, the government is REQUIRED to have a budget surplus.  I don't care how important the War on Whatever is to you; if it's not "oh shit, the country is teetering on the brink of economic collapse!", you MUST have a surplus of at least $1,000,000 every year, and that's after you pay at least $500,000,000 toward the debt.  No exceptions.  Fuck irresponsible assholes who want to spend money they don't have.
 
7) You cannot submit an amendment to a bill in Congress that adds anything unrelated to the bill as it stands.  If you want that twelve-million-dollar new highway, start an appropriations bill for it.  No more attaching that shit to bills originally designed to improve health care for disabled veterans.  Fuck pork-barrel pussys who can't just stand up and tell you what they want.
 
 
 
And that's that: the Seven Pillars of Doing Dick.  The honest, total summation of all of my political beliefs.  If you got a problem with those, please, tell me!  I'd love to get an outside perspective on them.
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Re: My Politics: Team America Style (warning - LOTS of profanity.) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12439.msg155842#msg155842
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2010, 08:59:04 pm »
I actually agree with virtually everything said(well, I don't care for the swearing, but since you said something in the title, that isn't a complaint). I'm not so sure government size is irrelevant(point two), but I don't know enough about governments to argue the point.

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Re: My Politics: Team America Style (warning - LOTS of profanity.) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12439.msg155847#msg155847
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2010, 09:25:49 pm »
1) Separation of business and state.  Stricter than that of church and state.  If you have ever worked for any industry, you cannot be a part of any governmental body that relates to that industry.  At all.  Ever.  If you worked for McDonalds for 2 months in high school, you can't ever be in the FDA.  Period.  End of story.  Fuck Republicans.
Except first jobs like that are the way kids get to know a lot about how society works, what work ethic is like and then some. I think the time spent with the company and/or career level reached while working for it should matter, but not just 'having done it'.

Mostly because every corporation is tied into other things. Let's take the McDonalds example.

 - Ties into general transportation (stuff needs to be moved)
 - Ties into fossil fuel management (trucks need fuel)
 - Ties into real estate development (food needs restaurant)
 - Ties into humane law regulation (chicken needs air)
 - Ties into work environment laws (staff needs air)
 - Ties into discriminatory issues (burger needs non-black flipper)
 - Ties into advertisement campaigns (restaurant needs customers)
 - Ties into general welfare (customer needs money)

(please note that the examples are semi-jokingly made)

You can see how this would end up backfiring: The people that end up in politics would be a bunch of hobo's with no work ethics and no sense of formal education. Then again, that's not much different from the Bush administration after all..
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Re: My Politics: Team America Style (warning - LOTS of profanity.) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12439.msg155849#msg155849
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2010, 09:30:06 pm »
You can see how this would end up backfiring: The people that end up in politics would be a bunch of hobo's with no work ethics and no sense of formal education. Then again, that's not much different from the Bush administration after all..
Don't you mean any political group in the recent past?

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Re: My Politics: Team America Style (warning - LOTS of profanity.) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12439.msg156114#msg156114
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2010, 02:29:13 am »
I think your strongest pillars are about integrity and honesty:
 
1) Separation of business and state.  <--the revolving door of influence is ridiculous.  This has got to go.
5) One term per politician. <--I'd stick with 2 terms, but no biggee.  Your job is to get things done, not get reelected.
6) Unless there's an economic emergency, the government is REQUIRED to have a budget surplus. <--no handing off debt to the suckers of the future.
7) You cannot submit an amendment to a bill in Congress that adds anything unrelated to the bill as it stands.  <--this really chaps my hide.  How dishonest is it to get unimportant crap wedged into important legislation where you can only vote yes or no.
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Re: My Politics: Team America Style (warning - LOTS of profanity.) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12439.msg156116#msg156116
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2010, 02:32:16 am »
Just.... just..... +karma.

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Re: My Politics: Team America Style (warning - LOTS of profanity.) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12439.msg156957#msg156957
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2010, 03:48:57 am »
Oh gosh, I agree with them all, especially number 1. F*** the lobbyists. +Karma

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Re: My Politics: Team America Style (warning - LOTS of profanity.) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12439.msg157729#msg157729
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2010, 08:24:03 am »
Just.... just..... +karma.
Bloody wonderful work.

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Re: My Politics: Team America Style (warning - LOTS of profanity.) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12439.msg159608#msg159608
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2010, 08:08:52 pm »
OK ... lets take this from the top.

1) Separation of business and state.  Oh good...now a long serving doctor cannot decide health policy...great...someone who knows nothing of actually working in health care gets the job again...thats going well in both our countries. (i am English)

2. as small as possible...less waste = better. Exact number will never be known but someone around "best" will do.

3.Who your friends are will matter more then ever. Media ties will be crucial. Best advertiser wins, just about every time.

4. difficult area, but a good base idea. needs expanding, or your going to have to deal with large! amounts of people with no work. Also not many will bother creating companies in the first place.

5.Lets try it. see how it goes. I can see problems...but maybe less than we have now.

6.Duh!

7. This! and other sneaky ways round normal process. English Parliament uses different tricks, but same premise.

Good post. I would enjoy your answer to my 1. OP.

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Re: My Politics: Team America Style (warning - LOTS of profanity.) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12439.msg160045#msg160045
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2010, 03:25:17 pm »
OK ... lets take this from the top.

1) Separation of business and state.  Oh good...now a long serving doctor cannot decide health policy...great...someone who knows nothing of actually working in health care gets the job again...thats going well in both our countries. (i am English)
The problem, mikeoh, is that right now the bodies that oversee health care are all people who used to be on the boards of various healthcare companies, and they're bending and breaking the rules specifically to favor the companies they used to work for.  I'd rather have an ignorant with no corporate ties than someone who is 'planted' in order to defy the entire purpose of government oversight.

It's happening in almost every sector in the USA (remember the MMA having sex-and-cocaine parties with the BP business execs they were supposed to be overseeing?).  It has to stop, because it's literally killing us, particularly the corruption in the FDA.


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2. as small as possible...less waste = better. Exact number will never be known but someone around "best" will do.
Those first two items don't necessarily relate.  Less waste is better, but getting 'less waste' doesn't necessarily mean 'less government'.  It just means 'more efficiency'.


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3.Who your friends are will matter more then ever. Media ties will be crucial. Best advertiser wins, just about every time.
I don't understand.  I'm not saying that politicians get less money or have any restrictions on how they spend it.  Only that they don't get to know who it came from -- another aspect of the same problem tackled in Point 1.


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4. difficult area, but a good base idea. needs expanding, or your going to have to deal with large! amounts of people with no work. Also not many will bother creating companies in the first place.
If the fact that breaking the law means you stop doing business means you don't make a corporation in the first place, you're not the kind of person that I want to see in business, period.   And the 'large amounts of people with no work' will happen maybe once every decade as a massive mega-corp is discovered breaking the law, but by and large companies will get the message and just play it straight.


5.Lets try it. see how it goes. I can see problems...but maybe less than we have now.

6.Duh!

7. This! and other sneaky ways round normal process. English Parliament uses different tricks, but same premise.

Good post. I would enjoy your answer to my 1. OP.
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Re: My Politics: Team America Style (warning - LOTS of profanity.) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12439.msg160659#msg160659
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2010, 07:13:43 pm »
Well, getting someone who is not exec first and doctor second may be a problem, but if were going for ideal, why not.

2. The government is a business, one which has different priorities to most, but it is one. I have never! seen a well run business with so many at the top.

3. I assumed you knew what i was thinking here...no idea why i did that...I will blame it on doing a law essay at the same time as writing it, It is definitely not because I was being thick ;P

But if you don't get anything from donating, a lot less will donate. That means they get less money. So they will have to get support from the media ect another way.  (because the media ect win the elections most years) That means they will recruit people will good media relationships.

So you end up with the same problem (corruption) but better hidden.

4. I agree mostly. Ideally.  Working with law has given me a good grounding in how well people can hide what they don't want found out ect. It is well enough that 99% of bad practices never come to light. If we close the good businesses because of one mistake, we may end up only with the ones that are willing to pay to hide their mistakes left.  But with a bit of expansion on the thinking it could be better i believe.

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Re: My Politics: Team America Style (warning - LOTS of profanity.) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12439.msg162066#msg162066
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2010, 12:06:08 am »
You realize of course that what separates you from someone I'm inclined to take seriously is the profanity. Whether it's meant to compensate for insecurity or something less pernicious -- like simply you think you're funny -- the fact is that one can make the many good points you've made without being infantile.

Those are my 2ยข ... and they would have been on-topic if the delivery were different.

 

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