Marijuana, Legal or Illegal

[theloconate]

Using that example, I have never strangled anyone, but I'm pretty sure that others have. (Parallel: marijuana doesn't always kill, but it can so it would be extremely unlikely that it has not, considering the vast usage).

you're right. Bad example. Better (but not perfect) example: suddenly changing atmospheric pressure can kill people, but people haven't died from jumping higher

Yes it CAN kill you (but drinking enough water works towards homeostasis which prevents the fatal dehydration). I also find it interesting that you quote this: "Because ethanol impairs judgment in humans, it can be a catalyst for reckless or irresponsible behavior" since  it makes me think: Because cannabis impairs judgment in humans, it can be a catalyst for reckless or irresponsible behavior.

Wait, but that's not fair. You say if they drink enough water yet you don't assume that the person smoking pot would make a similar preventive descision

(see source: "In the short term, marijuana use impairs perception, judgment, thinking, memory, and learning"
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html

If pot can cause a direct chemical reaction that can kill you, I doubt (google did not turn up anything there).

So it is referring to the second source? (just trying to clarify here)

In terms of disregarding? im referring to the final source

About the source you provide im only gonna refute the part you're referring to. For that part of the article they provide 0 sources (they do however say that "for more info go to ____") Since there are no sources for the facts presented we can dismiss them

[Asmius]

I personally think drugs with new medical use should be illegal.

Illegalized.

[Kuross]

I personally think drugs with new medical use should be illegal.

Illegalized.

If I am understanding what you are saying, then...

All energy drinks should be illegal as well since they have drugs in them.

[Asmius]

I agree, to be honest. I only drink water and lemonade - only when I self-make it. I'm not big on artifical.

[QuantumT]

Wait, but that's not fair. You say if they drink enough water yet you don't assume that the person smoking pot would make a similar preventive descision

That's not what he meant. Basically, what 'direct' is needs to be better defined. Alcohol related deaths have a variety of manifestations, and only 25% or so are actually alcohol poisoning. The rest are things like accidents and violence.

[SeddyRocky]

you're right. Bad example. Better (but not perfect) example: suddenly changing atmospheric pressure can kill people, but people haven't died from jumping higher

Disregarding that jumping is far from the only way of inducing "sudden atmospheric pressure", I get your point.

Wait, but that's not fair. You say if they drink enough water yet you don't assume that the person smoking pot would make a similar preventive descision

Drinking water has no effect on how high you get, for all I know (and unlike the case of alcohol, I am unaware of any similar preventive techniques). But you missed the point, and I think Quantum T picked it up.


 

In terms of disregarding? im referring to the final source

About the source you provide im only gonna refute the part you're referring to. For that part of the article they provide 0 sources (they do however say that "for more info go to ____") Since there are no sources for the facts presented we can dismiss them

My final source or yours? (to make it simpler, just link to it and I can search for it in the text myself)

And feel free to refute mine. A google of "marijuana impairs judgment" gives you plenty more options from various sources. Or if yo want to go for empiric evidence: getting high, people do stupid stuff that they would not do otherwise. Just like drunks!

[Boingo]

Did you know that combined, tobacco and alcohol are linked to 520 thousand deaths in the United States*, while marijuana can’t be linked to any deaths, yet marijuana is still illegal?

Is this an argument for the legalization of recreational marijuana use?  It seems like an argument for making alcohol and tobacco illegal.

1. Alcohol and tobacco are open for legal use.
2. Many people use them.
3. Many people die because of their use.
4. Marijuana is not open for legal use.
5. A limited number of people use it.
6. No deaths are linked to marijuana use.

7(a). Therefore, make marijuana use legal so it can catch up on the mortality statistics.
-or-
8(b). Therefore, make alcohol and tobacco illegal, limiting their use and reducing unnecessary deaths attributed to their use.

[Ekki]

I would have to somewhat agree w/ morningstar on this one. Marijuana isn't really addictive (trust me, i know), and legalizing it would most likely end the market for it.

Agree, this needs to be done. The quantity of people living in almost total poverty enslaved by the dealing/consumption market, and the mafias behind that intricate reality saddens me. Personal cannabis farming and possession (small quantities) along with an extensive social awareness campaign, can erradicate that problem, and more marginalized population would have better standards.

Almost all south america has a strong drug-dealing issue, so I'm glad so many people see marijuana not as a taboo, or an unmanageable issue, but as a consumption good.

True, marijuana is psychically addictive, but that's a different matter...
Apart from that, the biggest businesses in the world turn around drugs (from "hitler won the war", not a neonazi book, just a second point of view of the world, very well argued), involving even the biggest gobernments... So, for them is convenient to make it illegal as to keep on with the business

On the other side, prohibitions, all over the world, only made the prohibithed whatever more desired (as with most of the now accepted human rights, or with the worker's rights), and marijuana will keep on growing illegaly unless it is legalized and regulated (not to mention to educate the masses about it)

[theloconate]

Did you know that combined, tobacco and alcohol are linked to 520 thousand deaths in the United States*, while marijuana can’t be linked to any deaths, yet marijuana is still illegal?

Is this an argument for the legalization of recreational marijuana use?  It seems like an argument for making alcohol and tobacco illegal.

1. Alcohol and tobacco are open for legal use.
2. Many people use them.
3. Many people die because of their use.
4. Marijuana is not open for legal use.
5. A limited number of people use it.
6. No deaths are linked to marijuana use.

7(a). Therefore, make marijuana use legal so it can catch up on the mortality statistics.
-or-
8(b). Therefore, make alcohol and tobacco illegal, limiting their use and reducing unnecessary deaths attributed to their use.

If it can't be linked to deaths how is it supposed to catch up on mortality statistics

I'm unsure on whether or not to make tobacco and alcohol illegal, they would both provide a huge boon to drug lords/gangs

[theloconate]

you're right. Bad example. Better (but not perfect) example: suddenly changing atmospheric pressure can kill people, but people haven't died from jumping higher

Disregarding that jumping is far from the only way of inducing "sudden atmospheric pressure", I get your point.

then lets forget about it

Wait, but that's not fair. You say if they drink enough water yet you don't assume that the person smoking pot would make a similar preventive descision

Drinking water has no effect on how high you get, for all I know (and unlike the case of alcohol, I am unaware of any similar preventive techniques). But you missed the point, and I think Quantum T picked it up.

First of all i'm not sure whether someone who was drunk would have the common sense to do that (he may have, i don't know a lot on the subject). Second of all, the amount needed to overdose on marijuana relative to the amount needed to get high is 40000 to 1
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/mjfaq1.htm

In terms of disregarding? im referring to the final source

About the source you provide im only gonna refute the part you're referring to. For that part of the article they provide 0 sources (they do however say that "for more info go to ____") Since there are no sources for the facts presented we can dismiss them

My final source or yours? (to make it simpler, just link to it and I can search for it in the text myself)

And feel free to refute mine. A google of "marijuana impairs judgment" gives you plenty more options from various sources. Or if yo want to go for empiric evidence: getting high, people do stupid stuff that they would not do otherwise. Just like drunks!

I did refute your source (It had no sources it only said for more infor go to www.______.com). And I'm  happy to look at the other side of the argument (I suggest you do the same), but i'm certainly not gonna spend time refuting them. Normally in a discussion like this when you make a scientific/statistical claim you provide a source for that claim, you don't just give a source and say refute this.

[geekz_always_win]

It's so easy to get Marijuana anyways, they may as well legalize it.

Just go to any major city in your area (capital or something), and hang out around the parking lots at midnight. You'll see pot dealers soon. Especially in California.

[xBerzerk]

It's so easy to get Marijuana anyways, they may as well legalize it.

Just go to any major city in your area (capital or something), and hang out around the parking lots at midnight. You'll see pot dealers soon. Especially in California.

And that isn't even the only way to get it. Other ways are just as easy. Besides, penalties for having/smoking weed is almost nothing. My friend got caught the other day, and she got an in-school suspension for two days. You basically skip all your classes, but come to school anyway. Really, it's not that bad.