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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064392#msg1064392
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2013, 11:36:18 am »
I suspect I'll get more opportunities to say this, but: stay on topic, people, lest I'll have to remove a lot more than I just did.
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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064436#msg1064436
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2013, 02:47:52 pm »
Something that would be good to point out is that there are very few differences between people of various sexualities (LGBT...).

Just a quick note, I would like to point out that transgender is not a sexuality. It is how one identifies, not with who they have sex. As a MtF transgender, I feel this is important to note. Also, pansexuality is a sexuality that should be noted.

Also, thank you Old tress. Additionally I don't follow the rest of your post for some reason (blame the lack of sleep >.>) How does this connect to the effects Lesbians and gays have on society?
Thanks for the correction.
The rest of my post (beyond the agreement and what was corrected) was a criticism of certain pros & cons listed so far that only look at homosexuality as an example of a minority and not as homosexuality as itself. Since humans see the world through categories, there will always exist example minorities so pros and cons stemming from homosexuality being an example minority are not stemming from homosexuality. Thus the effect homosexuality has on society would not include those pros and cons (because if homosexuality did not exist those pros and cons still would exist).
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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064522#msg1064522
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2013, 06:51:41 pm »
Correct.

Why is people are so against Gays/lesbians then? Is this a mock at men's man-hood? Is it really just about the norm that marriage is to be heterosexual?

Have they done any studies with very young kids to see their reaction to seeing how they view homosexuality?

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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064586#msg1064586
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2013, 10:44:52 pm »
Correct.

Why is people are so against Gays/lesbians then? Is this a mock at men's man-hood? Is it really just about the norm that marriage is to be heterosexual?

Have they done any studies with very young kids to see their reaction to seeing how they view homosexuality?

I don't know about "studies" but most stories I hear show kids as accepting of homosexuality, or more accurately, homo-romantics.
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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064654#msg1064654
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2013, 05:09:43 am »
Hmmm...I am just wondering what society would be like if half of everyone was Gay and the other half not

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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064679#msg1064679
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2013, 08:37:40 am »
Positives:
* They are generally more open minded. They are far less judgemental.
* Their very existence bring diversity to human race.
* They are generally more humanist than others.

not to disappoint you, but there are
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btw, i think that one day we will stop asking ourselves about LGBT effects in society, like we don't do with other people different by us like (i'm talking for me right now) black people, or mexicans, or everything is foreign in our own culture.
haters gonna live forever, even if i'm pretty positive about future of humanity.

Have they done any studies with very young kids to see their reaction to seeing how they view homosexuality?

funniest thing i ever heard is 'with gay parents kids will be gays'. ow really, so tell me how from straight parents can grow a gay kid.
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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1064836#msg1064836
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2013, 09:17:22 pm »
Seems being Gay then is a coping mechanism? It is a valid argument. If so, would this really affect society?

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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1069499#msg1069499
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2013, 10:06:40 am »
1. Sorry for the necro; I've been away for a while.

2.  This thread seems to be conflating the concepts of 'homosexuality' as a) a sexual preference/need/proclivity, and b) 'homosexuality' as a social construct.  Sticking to a), the effect on society is simple: roughly 10% fewer breeding couples, roughly 10% fewer children born, roughly 10% fewer taxes collected in the future, roughly 10% less spent on child benefits/care.  Net effect - nothing.  For b), the effects are whatever you'd like to project upon them, as social constructs are malleable and ill-defined, as a rule.

3.  The sticking point, to me, is that homosexuality, by whichever notion we use, is a *part* of society - not an outside agent, seperate therefrom.

4.  'Have they done any studies with very young kids to see their reaction to seeing how they view homosexuality?'  Have they done any studies with very young kids to see their reaction to Jenna Jameson's filmography?  Have they done any studies with very young kids to see their reactions to condom sizes, dildo manufacture, or the optimal shape of the human buttock as an object of sexual desire?

NO.  Nor should 'they;' very young children are (IMO) quite rightly not treated as sexual actors in our society; how would a child's view on adult sexuality be relevant at all?

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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1069693#msg1069693
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2013, 10:22:47 pm »

4.  'Have they done any studies with very young kids to see their reaction to seeing how they view homosexuality?'  Have they done any studies with very young kids to see their reaction to Jenna Jameson's filmography?  Have they done any studies with very young kids to see their reactions to condom sizes, dildo manufacture, or the optimal shape of the human buttock as an object of sexual desire?

NO.  Nor should 'they;' very young children are (IMO) quite rightly not treated as sexual actors in our society; how would a child's view on adult sexuality be relevant at all?

I think the point here is not supposed to be homosexuality, but homoromantics. Many people say the former when they mean the latter.
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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1069993#msg1069993
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2013, 08:09:07 pm »

I think the point here is not supposed to be homosexuality, but homoromantics. Many people say the former when they mean the latter.

To clarify: what's the difference?  Is it one of degree, or of kind?  I.E. is 'homoromanticism' more akin to 'courtship,' or to 'Platonic love?'

Thank you for bringing some nuance to the discussion.
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Re: Gay/lesbian effects in society https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48773.msg1070002#msg1070002
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2013, 08:33:01 pm »

I think the point here is not supposed to be homosexuality, but homoromantics. Many people say the former when they mean the latter.

To clarify: what's the difference?  Is it one of degree, or of kind?  I.E. is 'homoromanticism' more akin to 'courtship,' or to 'Platonic love?'

Thank you for bringing some nuance to the discussion.
This video does a good job explaining it
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Homoromantacism is more like the dating, marriage, and love aspect of a relationship between two people of the same sex, and this is something children can understand and be allowed to witness.
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