Gay marriage

[moomoose]

the key is : why the frak do you care if gay people are married or not?  you shouldnt, if you do, you need to focus your attention on your own f'ed up brain.

[SeddyRocky]

Probably for the same reason anyone cares about something not directly related to them: Ideals, religion, ideologies, etc. According to my values, it would be a better world if same-sexed people could marry everywhere, and show their love and be showed respect, not be discriminated against in cases of everything from monetary (tax stuff) practical (like having a ceremony in a church?) stuff. Then again, that is because I see no possible harm or bad effects of this, and if others do, I suppose that it's natural for them to care and say "Nay!".

[moomoose]

alright, thats fine, but they shouldnt be blocked from doing so because other people dont think they should have the same union as they do. 

and the idea that same sex couples are better parents is BS.  there are more than a few dead beat dads out there that dont even pay child support. and half of straight marriages in general result in divorce.

there is no good reason for gay people to not be permitted to have a federally recognized civil union that straight people can.

[theloconate]

Probably for the same reason anyone cares about something not directly related to them: Ideals, religion, ideologies, etc. According to my values, it would be a better world if same-sexed people could marry everywhere, and show their love and be showed respect, not be discriminated against in cases of everything from monetary (tax stuff) practical (like having a ceremony in a church?) stuff. Then again, that is because I see no possible harm or bad effects of this, and if others do, I suppose that it's natural for them to care and say "Nay!".

I'm pretty sure almost all people against gay marriage are against it because of their religion, there are probably a few that aren't religious but were just indoctrinated that way.

[theloconate]

alright, thats fine, but they shouldnt be blocked from doing so because other people dont think they should have the same union as they do. 

and the idea that same sex couples are better parents is BS.  there are more than a few dead beat dads out there that dont even pay child support. and half of straight marriages in general result in divorce.

there is no good reason for gay people to not be permitted to have a federally recognized civil union that straight people can.

Judging by your post I think you meant to say straight couples in the second sentence

[moomoose]

indeed

[Numnut]

the key is : why the frak do you care if gay people are married or not?  you shouldnt, if you do, you need to focus your attention on your own f'ed up brain.

Ah - because I care about what is happening in society, I'm screwed up?  I'm going to repost what I said to MooMooMoo - To quote another part of Cohen's article, "What makes the national mistake of legalizing same-sex marriage unique in Canadian history is that to even discuss the issue is considered by many, particularly our elites, to be at the very least in extraordinarily bad taste. Although this is a valid and vital debate about social policy, anyone critiquing the status quo is likely to be marginalized as hateful, extreme or simply mad. Social conservatives aren’t just wrong, they’re evil."

Why participate in a discussion if you are just going to marginalize anybody who has an opinion that is different than yours?

[moomoose]

you can care (in your head, but the issues will still need to be worked out as to why you are a bigot) , but you have no right to prevent gay people from being married.  its their life, not yours.  if you dont want to be gay and marry someone else thats gay, dont.  otherwise butt out.

[SeddyRocky]

Offtopic: Did Numnut just change nation from Uganda (admittedly a very anti-LGBT-rights nation) to the US?

Ontopic: moomoose, I do not agree with Numnut's postion for 5 cents, but you really are not promoting your cause when you are so rigid and not open for discussion.

So, quoted for truth:"Why participate in a discussion if you are just going to marginalize anybody who has an opinion that is different than yours?"

[moomoose]

his quack "research" is being posted over and over and its annoying.

[Numnut]

Offtopic: Did Numnut just change nation from Uganda (admittedly a very anti-LGBT-rights nation) to the US?

Offtopic: That was a mis-click on profile selection.  Clicked U, arrowed down, and then clicked off.  However, selection stayed on Uganda because I didn't mouse click on US or hit space bar to exit the menu.  I went from no nationality, to Uganda, to US all in one day.  It was a very tiring move.

[Numnut]

Probably for the same reason anyone cares about something not directly related to them: Ideals, religion, ideologies, etc. According to my values, it would be a better world if same-sexed people could marry everywhere, and show their love and be showed respect, not be discriminated against in cases of everything from monetary (tax stuff) practical (like having a ceremony in a church?) stuff. Then again, that is because I see no possible harm or bad effects of this, and if others do, I suppose that it's natural for them to care and say "Nay!".

I'm pretty sure almost all people against gay marriage are against it because of their religion, there are probably a few that aren't religious but were just indoctrinated that way.

Is religion not a suitable reason to be opposed to something? (not wanting to go off on a tangent, just wanting to clarify)