French & Greek Elections 2012

[ARTHANASIOS]

True left-winged parties that care about workers, human rights and enviromental disasters are few. Most left-winged parties in the western civilization are left-winged as long as they don't govern. By the time people vote them and become the next government, they suddenly change to center-right or something, giving more attention to bank's problems rather than people's problems IMO.

[Jenkar]

That's still better than rights which become extremists once they're elected. (Go go origin sorted job laws in france >.>)

[Fikraxtein]

True left-winged parties that care about workers, human rights and enviromental disasters are few. Most left-winged parties in the western civilization are left-winged as long as they don't govern. By the time people vote them and become the next government, they suddenly change to center-right or something, giving more attention to bank's problems rather than people's problems IMO.

Not completely wrong; hey! Mitterrand was pretended socialist until he came to power in 1981, re-elected in 1988 and all his ideas were more from right than left...

[ARTHANASIOS]

That's still better than rights which become extremists once they're elected. (Go go origin sorted job laws in france >.>)

Yes, you really have a point here, dear Jenkar (sorry for the "dear" thing, it is just a mannerism of me)!  By the way, I wouldn't want to even imagine how more extreme right-winged would become an extreme-right party if it governs!!   

[Fikraxtein]

Above the idea of origins sorted jobs that mentionned Jenkar I also imagine an extreme-right president going in suburbs and trying to throw out every people that doesn't look like "white/european", without caring of nationality, competences, if they already have job or not, if they make studies... Don't talk about nightmare, please, we would live in a state with great lack of tolerance  I think if extreme right would come to power in France I'de search a better place to live in, I could not live with a government that "sorts" humanity by their kind. I don't mind where people come  from, as long as they try to have job or study and they don't harm I don't judge them bad

[Guizonde]

jenkar gets a +1 on my behalf concerning his analysis of the candidates: what to choose? syphilis or gonhorrea?(to paraphrase a french saying)

Fikraxtein and i have long talked about it, and we share the same views.

here's my personnal analysis: the first turn showed france that the views are getting more and more extreme: it almost boiled down to a far right far left confrontation (that'll be resolved in the legislatives it seems).
the 2nd turn boiled down to: keep the status quo or have a (probably useless) newbie president.

all in all, i sense a great disenchantment in the french electorate.

my  , for what it's worth

[Fikraxtein]

For the legislatives Mélenchon (extreme-left) is campaigning against Le Pen (extreme-right) in the Nord-Pas-de-Calais region, indeed. And let's not forget that PACA region (a great part of south-eastern France) usually votes extreme-right, perhaps they voted more right than extreme for presidential elections but for the last legislatives there was a high percentage of extreme-right votes in this region (contrarily to south-west where we can find great extreme-left bastion towns)

[Jenkar]

I recently found that the rural part of France still believe the ''immigrants will steal our jobs'' tale..

[Fikraxtein]

It's partly true; but depends where.
I cannot say for the northern part, for I never went there; but in the southern part like I said earlier tendencies vary from extreme-left in west and extreme-right in east; I went in two villages and had different points of view. If you go in Tarn-et-Garonne that is a department located in south-west you'll see great bastions that will vote left or extreme-left, and if you go in villages of Vaucluse, so in the east, you'll meet bastions of right and mostly extreme-right tendencies, the family I met there was limit neo-nazi and this didn't please me much to know such ideologies do persist in western european countries. So yeh, rural population tends to be extreme, but in both sides, depending of the place. And prejudices about immigrants are also found in great towns, may it be Paris or provincials like here in Toulouse, and some others.

[ARTHANASIOS]

The 17th of June is approaching and my country is going to elections once more. I hope this time the shitty neo-nazis of Golden Dawn won't get anything in these elections (during the previous ones in 6th of May they gained almost 7%, OMG!!!) especially now they've shown their real face live on TV:

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[Jenkar]

Wow. *prays*

[ARTHANASIOS]

Tomorrow Greece goes to its most critical elections in the past decades. France also has some sort of elections tomorrow. 17th of June is going to be a memorable day, no matter the result. I just hope for the best and I will vote as wisely as I can...