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French & Greek Elections 2012 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39867.msg494816#msg494816
« on: May 08, 2012, 10:01:10 am »
This topic is to discuss about the results of the recent French and Greek elections. Any opinions or comments about the results?
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Re: French & Greek Elections 2012 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39867.msg494982#msg494982
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2012, 06:23:15 pm »
It's your topic. Give your opinion first. You probably know more than the average person here.

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Re: French & Greek Elections 2012 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39867.msg495020#msg495020
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2012, 07:45:29 pm »
It's your topic. Give your opinion first. You probably know more than the average person here.

 Well, the truth is that all these measures the EU has taken had quite the opposite effect. They are supposed to bring prosperity to Greece and to other European countries, however our economy has to be in such a disastrous position since 1950-1960. I've seen companies to close or to move away, unemployment is rising along with the various taxes and loans, I've seen people searching into piles of garbage for food (something I've never seen before) and the amounts of criminal activity also rose up tremendously.
 Economists say that we shouldn't have entered EU in the first place, because the economic statistics we presented to Europe were fake and they are probably right. However, it were the politicians who lied to EU and they also lied to the people of Greece. Moreover, well-known politicians who have stolen the public wealth have yet to be punished by justice and they continue to become richer and richer even today, while the poor people are forced to pay for the extra measures due to Greece's dept.
 Because of all the above, people have abandoned the two major right-winged and central political parties, PASOK (ΠΑΣΟΚ) and New Democracy (Νέα Δημοκρατία), and voted for a left-winged party called Syriza (ΣΥΡΙΖΑ). Other parties that were against the unfair measures were also highly voted from the people. Unfortunately, there were also Greeks who decided to show their wrath by supporting a neo-Nazist political party, known as Crisi Avgi (Χρυσή Αυγή), making it to reach a percentage of 7%, while in the previous elections it was only 1%.
 I believe that the same goes on France. People try to show their anger towards EU's elite and they try to send their message. That's why they abandoned Sarkozy and voted for Hollande, however a French-member of the forum may be able to tell us in more detail about France...
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Re: French & Greek Elections 2012 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39867.msg495021#msg495021
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2012, 07:51:35 pm »
Basicly, this election : everyone sucked. Every, single, candidate sucked.
The similarity to your country votin' at 7% for a neo nazist party here in france is the first turn's 19% for Le Pen. Short story short, Le Pen is basicly represeting extreme right, with views that are borderline racist (what do i say. They ARE racist), among others.
As for hollande, it was really just a bit that pushed him up. I think time will tell if he does well. (personnally, he was my choice as he's not a blatant liar, unlike Sarkozy).
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Re: French & Greek Elections 2012 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39867.msg495023#msg495023
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2012, 07:52:28 pm »
we'll also have new elections in the netherlands later this year, if anyone's interested ;)
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Re: French & Greek Elections 2012 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39867.msg495032#msg495032
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2012, 08:05:36 pm »
we'll also have new elections in the netherlands later this year, if anyone's interested ;)

I'm actually interested in every kind of elections in Europe. I think that EU is in deep ssssssshit right now and what happens to Greece, Italy, Spain etc. is going to happen everywhere if the European elite doesn't change their minds, so I am interested about Netherlands too.
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Re: French & Greek Elections 2012 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39867.msg496367#msg496367
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2012, 07:56:12 pm »
I live in France, voted blank as usual (Dagoth Ur this time)...
Our new president, François Hollande, may have good ideas concerning people and french society; his problem is about international relationships, even if Sarkozy did mess with the interior matters at least was he managing well enough outside the state, I've been quite disappointed seeing almost 20% votes for extreme-right, that is to say ideas like curbing immigration and increase security above limits, that is to say some ideas I don't share (like the slogan "France to the French" for instance, we always have been a welcoming land and immigration is a basis of the 20th century's demography). For some years I situate myself in the anarchist-apolitics side; seeing all ideas are more or less the same on both left and right
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Re: French & Greek Elections 2012 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39867.msg496370#msg496370
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2012, 07:59:15 pm »
My main problem with blank votes in France is their lack of impact. If they served to point out that democracy is not the system we want i'd vote blank, but they don't :v
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Re: French & Greek Elections 2012 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39867.msg496625#msg496625
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2012, 04:03:12 am »
At least France has a center-left government. Greece's election results are a mess because both center-right and center-left parties support austerity. So now it's a free-for-all with fascists and communists in the mix.

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Re: French & Greek Elections 2012 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39867.msg496957#msg496957
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2012, 09:25:04 pm »
At least France has a center-left government.

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Re: French & Greek Elections 2012 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39867.msg497220#msg497220
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2012, 04:00:45 pm »
At least France has a center-left government.
<irony>Is there a left in France? O.o </irony>
At least you aren't in the US, which has a choice between center-right and crazy-xenophobic-warmongering-bigoted-corporatist-right.

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Re: French & Greek Elections 2012 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39867.msg497230#msg497230
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2012, 04:37:24 pm »
At least France has a center-left government.
<irony>Is there a left in France? O.o </irony>
At least you aren't in the US, which has a choice between center-right and crazy-xenophobic-warmongering-bigoted-corporatist-right.
The sad part is that the latter actually has a good shot of unseating the former.
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