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what is the HHS mandate? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41218.msg510391#msg510391
« on: June 12, 2012, 07:35:17 am »
i posed a simple question. and i expect a simple answer. I DONT WANT BIASED BULLSHIT!!!! i tried googling it, but all that came up was BIASED BULLSHIT. so i ignored it. but from what i can tell from the drastic one sidedness to it. i assume its a negative thing? but that is why i am asking WHAT IT IS so i can form my own opinion on it
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Re: what is the HHS mandate? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41218.msg510416#msg510416
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2012, 08:58:35 am »
What is the HHS Mandate?

Excellent question. You did well in asking. This is most certainly a script that should demand the attention of any man. Unfortunately, the as it is a most complex document, the answer to your question cannot be both succinct and sufficient. With your permission, I will opt for the latter, as I trust your interest in the subject will empower you to locate the necessary information from within what follows:

It would only be proper to hear from the Head of the Committee of the Judiciary, Lamar Smith, who oversaw the Committee Hearing on Executive Overreach, observing the contest between the HHS Mandate and Religious Liberty.



Official Statement
Date of Issue February 28, 2012

Name of AuthorLamar Smith
TitleHonorable
Mailing Address2138 Rayburn Building
Washington, DC 20515

Source (web)Statement of Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith
Date of Retrieval (Common Era)July 12, 2012
Photo Verification
Imagehttp://judiciary.house.gov/images/Chairman%20Smith%20Official%20photo.jpg
Sourcehttp://judiciary.house.gov/about/bio.html

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Religious liberty and freedom of conscience occupy an essential place among our unalienable rights.  As James Madison observed, “the religion . . . of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man; and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate.  This right is in its nature an unalienable right.”

However, recent Obama administration policy decisions have shown a pattern of open hostility to religious organizations and religious liberty.  The administration has denied federal grants to religious groups engaged in serving the poor and vulnerable.  It has deleted religious organizations from the list of non-profit employers that qualify for federal student loan forgiveness programs.

And, the administration even argued before the Supreme Court that the federal government has a say in when a church can fire one of its religious ministers.  All nine Justices rejected the argument.
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The administration is treating the First Amendment right to the free exercise of religion as nothing more than a privilege arbitrarily granted by the government.

Nowhere has this been more true than with the administration’s decision to mandate that religious organizations pay for abortion-inducing drugs, sterilizations, and contraception that they find morally objectionable.  Such a mandate cannot coexist within a free society.

The administration and its supporters have tried to cast this as a women’s health issue to deflect attention away from the mandate’s affect on religious freedom.  They assert that religious groups attempt to “deny access” to drugs and services to which most people have no objection.

This assertion is false.  Religious institutions do not seek to dictate what their employees can purchase or use; they seek to avoid a mandate that would force them to violate their religious convictions. 
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Others have pointed to the administration’s so-called “accommodation” to argue that the mandate no longer infringes on religion.  The accommodation is nothing more than an accounting gimmick.

Insurance companies aren’t going to give the mandated drugs and services away for free; religious employers will still end up paying for them through higher premiums.

Moreover, religious employers continue to be obligated to provide their employees with insurance plans that facilitate actions that violate their tenets.

And, some religious organizations that self-insure, such as the Archdiocese of Washington, are required to pay for the mandated drugs and services directly.
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The objection to the mandate is not about political party, ideology or eliminating women’s access to abortion or contraception.  It is about the respect for the religious liberty guaranteed to all Americans by the Constitution.

Thomas Jefferson’s Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom proclaimed “that to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical.”  This is exactly what the HHS mandate has done.

Religious employers that object to the mandate are compelled to either violate their sincerely held beliefs or be penalized.  The federal government does not have the power to dictate what health services religious groups must provide.

The HHS mandate is a clear violation of religious freedom and a direct attack on the personally held views of many Americans. It is an erosion of religious freedoms.

If allowed to stand, the HHS mandate will set a dangerous precedent for future administrations that seek to impose their political views on churches and religious institutions.

Endnotes
Statement of Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith
Full Committee Hearing on
Executive Overreach: the HHS Mandate Versus Religious Liberty



Interesting, no? It is easy to see that Chairman Smith hardly approached the topic from a neutral point of view, yet what he does deliver is very representative of Conservative opinion.



I see now the possibility that you desire a second perspective. And thus I do my best to deliver:

Official Statement
Date of Issue May 13, 2012

Name of AuthorsDavid Christensen,
Jeanne Monahan
ColumnHuman Events - Social and Domestic Issues
Mailing AddressOne Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20001

Source (web)The Kansas Two-Step
Date of Retrieval (Common Era)June 12, 2012
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Imagehttp://www.frc.org/img/activedit/jeannefrc.jpg
Sourcehttp://www.frc.org/biography/jeanne-monahan-director-center-for-human-dignity-

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Last week during a congressional hearing on the president’s 2013 budget, Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius received a number of questions about the HHS mandate requiring all employers, including religious institutions, to provide contraception coverage.

U.S. Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) began by asking the nation’s health secretary about her written testimony in which she claimed the contraception mandate struck a “balance” between respecting religious freedom and preventive services. When she gave a vague response, he further listed three tests to determine “balance” when an issue has constitutional significance, none with which Sebelius was familiar.

The secretary responded that she relied on the expertise of HHS general counsel for such matters. Rep. Gowdy asked for more detail about the content of the advice she received. She admitted that no legal memo was ever written, and that guidance took the form of “discussion.” Rep. Gowdy then named a few of the most critical religious liberty cases heard before the Supreme Court and asked if she was familiar with them. In an awkward moment, the Secretary admitted she was unaware of any of them.
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Later, U.S. Rep. Martha Roby (R-Ala.) discussed how the mandate would impact her own district’s Eternal Word Television Network (EWTN), a Catholic television network.  Roby asked Secretary Sebelius why this religious employer was not exempt from HHS’s mandate in the first place.

Watching Secretary Sebelius field this question was like watching the Texas (or Kansas, as this case may be) two-step. She began by blaming the Institutes of Medicine (IOM) for recommending contraception and abortifacients among their recommended services essential to women, neglecting the fact that she as head of HHS tasked the IOM to make recommendations. Moreover, the IOM’s report to HHS contains no mention of the impact of the mandate on religious liberties or constitutionality rights. Of course, HHS had the legal responsibility to amend the IOM recommendations to comply with religious liberty protections.

Secretary Sebelius’ second point in response to Rep. Roby’s question was that the mandate applies not to employers but to insurance companies, insinuating that there really is no infringement upon religious employers’ consciences. Clearly, Secretary Sebelius knows the mandate on all insurance plans will impact religious employers.  Why else would HHS have exempted churches in their regulations in the first place? On this point her answer actually contradicts itself.
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Rep. Roby’s more fundamental question was why HHS did not exempt EWTN and other similar religious organizations at the beginning. This time, Secretary Sebelius’ response was to hide behind a “they did it too” argument, referring to the multiple states that have a contraceptive mandate and an exemption for a narrow group of religious employers.

However, what Secretary Sebelius did not explain is the critical point that the contraceptive mandates even in states with the narrowest exemptions such as California and New York are not as encompassing as the federal mandate. No state has a law and exemption this far reaching!

The California law applies only to health plans that have prescription drug coverage. So, a religious employer could change its plan to avoid the state contraceptive mandate by dropping its prescription drug coverage. Or, the employer could move to a self-insured health plan which in fact is exactly what some groups in California have done to avoid the state mandate.
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Similarly in New York, the law contains a narrow religious employer exemption. However, the NY law applies only to plans with prescription drug coverage. If a religious employer drops prescription drug coverage from its policy, it would not be subject to the state mandate. The employer could also choose to self-insure and thereby avoid the mandate as is the case in California.

In contrast, the federal contraception mandate does not allow for any non-church religious groups to be exempt, since it applies to all group plans regardless of prescription drug coverage as well as whether they are fully insured or self-insured. Indeed, the fact that the mandate applies, with a one year delay, to religious employers that are self-insured has led to yet another proposed set of regulations pending comments on how to hide the cost. With self-insured employers, the employer is the insurer. Making insurers pay the cost of free contraceptives, abortifacients and sterilizations for religious employers who have contracted with them for the health plans does little to nothing on the problem of religious liberty infringement.

Rep. Gowdy and Rep. Roby were right to ask these questions. Unfortunately, this administration is clearly unwilling to give straight answers, let alone change course.

Endnotes
The Kansas Two-Step: Secretary Sebelius’ Dancing Around the Topic of Religious Liberty
David Christensen and Jeanne Monahan, Human Events



This second article also approaches the topic from the Conservative standpoint, but it raises questions different from those brought up by the Chairman. I hope that showing you the opinions of the opposing side has helped you in formulating an opinion.

If you desire more information yet, I can only provide you with the following links, which go to official statements by reputable figures who testified in the Committee Hearing on Executive Overreach. For convenience and verification purposes, the records of their statements have been paired with their Truth in Testimony for your ease of access.

http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/Hearings%202012/Lori%2002282012.pdfhttp://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/Hearings%202012/Lori%20Truth%2002282012.pdf
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/Hearings%202012/Uddin%2002282012.pdfhttp://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/Hearings%202012/Uddin%20Truth%2002282012.pdf
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/Hearings%202012/Rosenstock%2002282012.pdfhttp://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/Hearings%202012/Rosenstock%20Truth%2002282012.pdf
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/Hearings%202012/Monahan%2002282012.pdfhttp://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/Hearings%202012/Monahan%20Truth%2002282012.pdf

I hope this has been an informative read for you. Thank you for your interest in this topic.

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Re: what is the HHS mandate? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41218.msg510773#msg510773
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2012, 04:05:42 am »
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (often called "Obamacare") has provisions to make health insurance coverage close to universal in the US. Part of how it does this is by mandating that large employers offer a health insurance plan to their employees or pay a fine, and by mandating that individuals without health insurance from an employer or the government buy health insurance or pay a fine. The employer part of the mandate has requirements on what must be covered; it includes birth control and other women's health services. Some large employers are philosophically opposed to birth control, etc. Hence the controversy.

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Re: what is the HHS mandate? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41218.msg510778#msg510778
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2012, 04:11:16 am »
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