communism. is it really so evil?

[Antiderivative]

people are pigs, so i see no difference.

Most people are not.  This game and forum should be enough proof for you. 

[nerd1]

people are pigs, so i see no difference.

Most people are not.  This game and forum should be enough proof for you. 

yes, but i automatically assumed everyone on this forum was a smurf   

[Antiderivative]

people are pigs, so i see no difference.

Most people are not.  This game and forum should be enough proof for you. 

yes, but i automatically assumed everyone on this forum was a smurf   

I think you need to quite.

[nerd1]

do you mean quit, or get quiet?

[Antiderivative]

do you mean quit, or get quiet?

Either or. Thanks for catching that most "misquoted" word.

[nerd1]

seriously now, if you think about it, very few people should be considered "good" people, and i do not include myself in that list. when was the last time YOU contributed to charity?

[Ele124]

Okay, my 2 rubles.

Communism is a very interesting idea, that we work for the state and the state looks after us. The main benefit of a communistic society is efficency. The state investigates which jobs need doing and assigns suitable people to do these jobs. No faffing about with job descriptions, applications, infinite rejections etc.

Thanks to this efficiency the average standard of living will increase and will rise above what 90% people currently enjoy in a capitalistic society. Additionally, everyone will earn the same amount of money (seriously, why should anyone have a better standard of living because they were lucky enough to be born with a high intelligence?), which agrees with my personal scruples.

I would also like to point to the high level of peace between communist nations. There have been several merges between communistic countries, most notably around Russia. Its easy for countries who micromanage their countries to simply merge everything together and work out a new average pay rate.

I currently find myself in the position of having recently left a good university with a good degree, but without a job of any kind (and thanks to this recession, no particular hope of finding any). In a communistic society, I would be either given a graduate level job, or be put on a graduate scheme of some sort.

Okay, so there are problems with communism. The 2 main problems are corruption and motivation. How to motivate people to do more with there lives when they know it wont change their standard of living? Very tricky. Capitalism, by its very nature, answers this question better than communism ever could, but there are various incentives that can be used.

When everybody is paid the same, it becomes very easy for the human inclination of greed to rear its ugly head. This then leads to corruption throughout the system. Another tricky problem. During the second World War, the British solved this problem in a rather novel way by introducing ration books.

However, the only real way to solve these problems is through a strong community spirit and a healthy dose of nationalism. A strong mental attitude revolving around the phrase "if everyone works toegther, then everyone wins" will see communism surpass any other government type.

tl;dr=>Communism is efficient, average wage increases, couple of problems that can be solved.

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[redrox]

Yes Communism is evil, you give government to much power and it will do evil things.  Power corrupts, smaller government is better you just have to accept the fact that you need to take care of yourself.  Not expect your government to coddle you from cradle to grave.  Communism destroys any incentive  for people to work.  If people understand it doesn't matter how they perform then they will perform at the bare minimum.

[Ele124]

Yes Communism is evil, you give government to much power and it will do evil things.

Evil is a very subjective word, can you clarify what you mean by this? Possibly provide a few examples? Your starting to sound like some of the people in those youtube videos

Power corrupts

Again, examples please! Ive never heard of any justice supporting saint who genuinely gives a damn about my country ever becoming a "bad" politician.

smaller government is better you just have to accept the fact that you need to take care of yourself.  Not expect your government to coddle you from cradle to grave.

Why not? Why wouldnt I want a more efficient government, better able to run my country. I'll admit that all governments are a long way from any kind of utopia, but I dont see why that should stop us trying? If we applied your apathy to technological progress rather than political progress then we'd have lost our planets evolutionary race long ago.

Communism destroys any incentive  for people to work.  If people understand it doesn't matter how they perform then they will perform at the bare minimum.

Yes, this is one of the difficulties with communism, see my above post for possible solutions.

[johannhowitzer]

Communism isn't evil any more than any other structure - it's just a structure.  Unfortunately, it's a very impractical one, and looks better on paper than it performs in real life.  Communism is prone to producing evil more easily than other forms of government/economy.

[SeddyRocky]

On paper, as johann said, communism is pretty much ideal. It would eliminate sooooo many problems in our societies, from poverty to obesity.

Problem being of course, it just doesn't work in practice. Becuase people are not the pure, superhealthy workmachines that Marx thought.

[Ele124]

Unpractical, really? It just requires the government to work considerably harder. I appreciate that communism has its difficulties, mostly focused around people who refuse to support society, but there are various carrot and stick like approaches to get things moving.

I personally think capitalism is unpractical. What kind of philosophy allows people to hoard vast sums of wealth in hidden bank accounts around the world, depriving their country of much needed public services such as health care, education etc. Capitalism is far too greed-orientated for my liking.

Whereas, communism offers a society where everyone (from the homeless begger to the richest billionaire) has a home, food, clothing etc and never has to do without. Also, because its more efficient, the average person will be that much better off than they were previously. All it needs is for people to reject greed and embrace a unified community spirit. For those who can't, theres always the carrot and the stick...