Wow. *This* topic. Okay, so where shall i begin? Perhaps in the beginning... of a thread.
Zig brings up the fact that canton of entire prison inmates population is hosted by American facilities. While it does imply you're more likely to be imprisoned in USA, it also implies you're less likely to meet criminals on the streets there. Personally, i find the effectiveness of fight against the crime less of a priority, than a good definition of what crime is. Depending on the latter, the former may be good or bad news.
Zig also makes a valid point that no government should be entitled to take and spend credit in the name of future generations. However unlikely to happen, the youth of any country has all the moral right to refuse to pay. Not that it's inherent to capitalism (or communism). Public debt (as well as inflationary politics) date very far back.
Next, Essence brings up the point of government oversight. I am shocked. What does capitalism need oversight for? If a company is undertaking illegal activity, it should be punished with accordance to the law. If not, no oversight is required, helpful or even justified.
Essence mentions fast foods as well. Interesting point, however it's not a job of government to think for the citizens. If a person prefers unhealthy lifestyle, they should have the freedom to "pursue this ideal". Unless we decide adult people are not entitled to self-determination. But this is just plain evil.
bstar11 writes about confusing nazism, fascism and communism. I wonder in which country people do confuse these. Anyways, tough most of them do so because of ignorance, they are not as wrong as one might suppose. What all those systems or doctrines, or however you'd like to classify any of them, share is a hostile attitude toward individualism. That's what constitutes an evil system in my opinion.
This perception of individual as either part of society or it's enemy essentially always leads collective ideas toward dictatorship. It's not an accident that so often the two appeared together in history.
When one user declared that a good or working way toward communism is not enough to make them support the system, Someone, whose nick i can't decipher from my notes made a sarcastic remark toward that person. Communism is a dystopian, impossible & immoral system. Even if working, immoral system is still immoral tough.
Helios expressed his admiration of Marx. Tough that's not really a point in discussion, i had to reject it. I've once tried to read through Das Capitel. At the very beginning the author attempts at defining the term "value". And he fails completely, claiming the value of object is a value of work put "into it". Is anyone here willing to defend this? Else I won't even bother proving it wrong. It's not a kind of deduction that i would admire anyone for.
Enough for today, i have made notes from entire topic and i will reply to more later.
