communism. is it really so evil?

[Boingo]

Democracy, where 49% of the population is unhappy...

When I worked as a referee, it was a good day when only half the fans hated me.  That doesn't mean I didn't do a good job, it just means they wanted a different outcome.

Does this thread need to go on?  The answer to the thread's question: yes.

[Arondight]

Is communism evil?

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Well, I think it's mostly attributed to the Red Scare, but.. watch that.

[avidteen13]

Communism as an idea is not evil.  Corrupt officials take advantage of it and make sure there is absolutely nobody that would think of removing their fat rear from the throne of total control.  They get all the money and power at the cost of poorly maintained public facilities and goods.

The problem with communism is that there is almost no incentive to produce quality.  So long as I meet my quota, I get paid and can relax in my squalid quarters. 

*returns from that brief trip into communism* My parents do not go to work thinking, "Oh, lets produce quality work for the good of the company"  They want to do quality work so they don't get fired and money to support themselves and their family.

@Arondight  That guy was something else.  He was, um... very forceful about his views.  Not the best person to talk to for a logical debate.

[Arondight]

@Arondight  That guy was something else.  He was, um... very forceful about his views.  Not the best person to talk to for a logical debate.

Actually, there were two points I wanted to share with that clip. You noticed how that guy was talking normally when that "reporter" approached him, right? But, at one point, it cuts out of that and they are at a different location nearby and that veteran is suddenly agitated. I believe the reporter may have done something really offending and him saying things to agitate that veteran later in the clip can support that idea. So, the point is that it's the media inflating things from what they really are, that's why I gave the Red Scare as my answer. There was a lot of blind propaganda about it in the past in order to rally the American people to support the war against the U.S.'s enemies. My other point of course, is that it isn't evil. But, like you said, it depends on the people and officials as well.

[Uzra]

I'm not even sure if I would ever support Communism even if there was a good or right way to get there.

Yea... sorta like the catholic church wouldn't support heliocentric even when after there was irrefutable proof.  High five for sticking with your opinion regardless of new information!  ..Oh wait...

[coinich]

I'm not even sure if I would ever support Communism even if there was a good or right way to get there.

Yea... sorta like the catholic church wouldn't support heliocentric even when after there was irrefutable proof.  High five for sticking with your opinion regardless of new information!  ..Oh wait...

No, your analogy is bull shit, both because the Catholic Church has accepted the Heliocentric fact, and because there is no new information that can make Communism good.

[Helios]

Communism seeks to establish an idyllic utopia, where its original and core theory is concerned; in effect, Marx's intellectual honesty and genuine desire to improve the condition of the masses is admirable.

Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for most of his followers.

The inherent flaws and fallacies of human nature render communism an extremely impractical idea.

[avidteen13]

It seems that the general consensus is that communism is not an evil idea but does not work when put into place.  Like Boingo said, "Does this thread need to go on?"

[tyranim]

yes it does need to go on, like every other thread in this section. the purpose that i see in this section is debate. good old healthy debate. this forum has taught me VERY important life lessons, and partially how the human psyche works, but thats a different story... anyway. if you end a discussion with someone dictating the answer, then all your doing is creating the very thing that a lot of people have grown to "fear". i predict this thread will continue on for quite some time. there are WAY too many diverse opinions out there, too many in fact to just end it with one answer.

[kalkiran]

I think the reason that communism has never worked in the past is because it has always been instated after a violent period of history (U.S.S.R. & china & cuba def probably most others) I.E. a military coo, this disrupts the start of a very delicate procedure required to establish a working communist goverment.

An example of a very famous (relatively peaceful) turn over of power-is that of south africa.
Nelson mandela became president of south africa on the 10th of may 1994. He believed firmly in the principle of reconcilliation. Had he decieded to make a communist state he too would have unfortunately, failed. But not through corruption instead because south africa had too many other problems to deal with. he did however make some serious steps towards socialism in the health reforms he made.

What i was trying (failed) to demonstrate their was that peaceful turnovers of power can and have happened. If this happened again in a country with less problems then maybe communism would have a chance.

Btw im susprised so many people here hold similar views! Dont get me wrogn i agree too... but is anyone on this forum a captalist?
 
Keep up the dicussing guys oh and if you are eco and communist/socialist youll love ben eltons STARK.
 

[falconbane]

Communism will never work as a government, and it is a horrible idea to even try to implement it.  In a community of ~500 people, that's a completely different story (almost utopia-ish even).

Why won't it work?  Well, just go to any shared kitchenette and chances are the stoves and microwaves would be messy as hell (that odd ones here and there doesn't count xP). 

Anytime something is "shared", an "user" will abuse it unless there's dire consequences.

Capitalism will not work as well as a government (good thing we have Federalism) since it will lead to Technocracy among other things.  Capitalist always view the market as an ever growing entity, which cannot be true (do I really have to explain?).  Given half the chance, they would ruin everything in the name of profit.  Dunn's formula took decades to take effect, and then a formula that look at widow-survival rates got used and relied upon that ended up with the sub-prime blunder.

Democracy has its failing too since it's "us vs them" at the international level as well as the grassroot level.  Non-citizens are only good for exploitation in a Democracy.

In short, Communism isn't evil, just an horrible idea to implement to non-hive mind creatures, they work wonderfully for say bees, but not human. 

[kalkiran]

it is utopian-if you dont aim for utopia youll create hell.
I have nt exactly posted educated responses on these forums but even I know THIS.