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Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg54340#msg54340
« on: April 16, 2010, 06:09:29 pm »
I've been hearing on the news all this crud about "baby murder"? I mean seriously why is it murder to have an abortion? Second of all, what the heck caused people to kill doctors who do abortions!?!  :o It's their job to do abortions and it's NOT MURDER!  >:D I would be 100% Pro-life if you could tell me where all the unwanted babies are going to go, how we'll take care of the average (rounded) 19000 babies born every single day*.

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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg54352#msg54352
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2010, 06:27:28 pm »
idk wheter to laugh or cry.

It's no news, this debate has been going on for years.

Abortion is a short-term "solution" (what an atrocity! considering the miracle of life a "problem"!!) A long-term solution to this and many many issues nowadays would be education.

Go to school, get informed, learn all the point of views involved :) love life.
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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg54363#msg54363
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2010, 06:47:35 pm »
Theoretically, there are 'stages' of abortion that could potentially be amoral and or expensive when done.

I think it requires more than just an education or a set of religious beliefs on the issue at hand. To me, how, when, and specifically why a pregnant woman/lady/girl would abort their child is much more vital than the "Pro-life/Pro-choice" crowds, as the solution should be based on the circumstances. If a mother was going to die alongside the child if she tried to force a natural (or artificial) birth, would it not be right to save at least one person of the situation? If a girl just decided two weeks before her due date that she didn't feel like taking care of her potential kid, why would anyone give her that privilege of just ridding herself of a near year's worth of effort to grow life?

Abortions that occur at clinics due to poor prevention methods (see planned parenthood/failure to use BCPs & condoms correctly) or because people can (they choose to engage in activities that are generally deemed unsafe or risky of causing STD's and pregnancy) are an unfortunate side effect of the issue. If used correctly, an 'abortion' is really just a last-minute emergency option when everything else has been exhausted to save the possible mother at question. It's a tool for doctors to save lives; the people who kill the doctors are just overzealous extremists who would probably be swayed by other masses to do other horrible crimes if they could.


...Luckily, I don't plan on ever wanting to have children. ;) Not to mention I couldn't even if I wanted to, due to all these ridiculous state laws.


I don't despise life (even if kids are annoying), but at the same time, I'm not willing to raise or give birth to a child that I know I'm not old enough or ready to take care of. Aside from that, making a reference from Batman to this topic is... a little bit odd.

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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg54378#msg54378
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2010, 07:07:08 pm »
idk wheter to laugh or cry.

It's no news, this debate has been going on for years.

Abortion is a short-term "solution" (what an atrocity! considering the miracle of life a "problem"!!) A long-term solution to this and many many issues nowadays would be education.
Go to school, get informed, learn all the point of views involved :) love life.

A  few of my friends dropped out of school exactly because they were pregnant. Education doesn't make mistakes much less likely to happen. Education isn't going to limit alcohol or prevent contraception from breaking. While I understand what you're driving at I don't think education plays as large a role as the fear, and it is a fear, of getting (someone) pregnant.

EDIT: I'd just like to add that the title is horrible. An abortion procedure is close to the most serious thing anyone will ever do  in their lives. I'd appreciate it if you could change it.

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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg54393#msg54393
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2010, 07:44:20 pm »
Abortion rates have decreased over the past several years. The only education that helps is sex education. For young girls in areas of poverty, having a child is a passage into adulthood. Their schools get half the funding that schools in non-poverty areas get. They realize that getting a high school diploma their doesn't amount for much, if anything at all. Taking care of children is something they've done for a long time already, so they feel fit for the job. Most say they wind up having children only a year or two ahead of schedule, which isn't much.

That's just interesting information I though I'd share.

Anyway, any high school biology student could tell you that once an egg and sperm cell have merged, it's now a living creature. Humans are just a mass of cells. So when do you draw the line for when to abort? A billion cells? A million? In my opinion it should be one. Just because it's less developed doesn't make it right to kill it.

I could go on and on, but I'm lazy at the moment. So I'll just say that the only time abortion should be allowed is when the mother's life is in danger. No one has the right to end another person's life.

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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg54402#msg54402
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2010, 07:58:31 pm »
Seriously? your first post is this?  I don't really know where to begin.  The real argument is where does life begin, because everyone can agree that taking an innocent life is wrong.  If life begins at conception, which I believe it does, than abortion is wrong.  But it's absurd for someone to say that the baby is only a fetus until it magically turns into an unborn baby during the 2nd trimester or the 3rd trimester or whatever.

It really boils down to a society that doesn't want to own up to their personal responsibility.  What blows my mind is that it's ok to have an abortion... no harm done... but if you kill a pregnant woman you can get charged with a double-homicide.  Where's the consistency there?

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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg54415#msg54415
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2010, 08:34:19 pm »
Whether or not you believe abortion is killing there are still some situations EVERYONE should say abortion is okay for.

For starters, a friend of mine had a stillborn baby.  In that the baby was alive, but would not survive the delivery.  On top of that, the stillborn was lodged inside her in such a manner it would have been lethal if she hadn't gotten it removed.  This kind of abortion saves lives, and should be legalized.  Everything else is still debatable.

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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg54416#msg54416
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2010, 08:42:40 pm »
So if a mother's life is in danger, should it be a law that the unborn child must be aborted, or should it be up to the mother?

I'm not arguing, just furthering discussion.

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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg54417#msg54417
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2010, 08:43:37 pm »
Must?!  Forced abortion is something that shouldn't ever be legalized.  I think the option should be available.  I mean, she could have risked it...

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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg54508#msg54508
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2010, 12:00:56 am »
A long-term solution to this and many many issues nowadays would be education.
A  few of my friends dropped out of school exactly because they were pregnant. Education doesn't make mistakes much less likely to happen. (...)
Mistakes? No, I was aiming at essential values. (Ethically) educated individuals would, in a perfect world, value life so much, that discussions supporting abortion would sound ridiculous.
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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg54509#msg54509
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2010, 12:06:11 am »
im pro abortion. simply for the fact that there is such a thing as over population. it happens all the time in the animal kingdom. lion cubs are left to die when the food is scarce. its common, very common. besides, do we really need more humans? we are a vial enough species as it is. i see no reason to make more of us. (all of this is my opinion, and shouldnt be taken as an isult to anyone)
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