Abortion: Why so serious?

[BluePriest]

Those are mainly fun examples, lightening the mood a little, dont take them TOO seriously.

2. OK, so if you get an abortion during this certain, hazy point, why is it then wrong?

Let me ask the people who Support abortions this question.

Do you consider it an actual human being?
If not, why?
If you do/did  consider it a human being, then would you still say abortions are ok?
What requirements are neccessary for you to say its a human being?
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I believe those 3 questions are the root of the situation.

These are the questions that probably won't be answered... at least not honestly by the actual individual.  It's always the spoon fed answer from Planned Parenthood...

Youre ignoring the actual questions, and instead talking abou something i purposly said was mainly to lighten the mood a bit. Hence, I said to hire a person to assassinate someone. Obviously not meant to be taken seriously.

I find people with a liberal mindset (dont get me wrong, not all, just most) , the best way to show they have no credibility is to actually press for answers to the questions. Direct questions is all it really takes to show what is the real reason behind the madness.

[Belthus]

Yes, a fetus is human.

It's OK for a mother to abort a fetus because human biology is only one of many things to take into consideration. If all mothers aborted all pregnancies, that would be a problem. However, there are plenty of children being born. In fact, we can't take care of them all, and they threaten to overwhelm the planet's resources.

[CB!]

Fetus = Human
Abort = Kill
Abort fetus = Kill human
Kill human (in this case) = Murder

If I missed anything, please explain... I honestly cannot comprehend where a logical human being cannot see that abortion is absolutely wrong.  I can see where society for the most part will tolerate abortion, but I cannot get my mind around how somebody can sincerely defend abortion.

[Belthus]

There are many kinds of killing humans that aren't murder: executions, war, taking vegetables off life support. I won't say that biology is irrelevant, but it isn't the only factor. Murder is a legal term, and abortion is legal in the US and similar countries. If abortion is legal, it is by definition not murder.

[CB!]

There are many kinds of killing humans that aren't murder: executions, war, taking vegetables off life support. I won't say that biology is irrelevant, but it isn't the only factor. Murder is a legal term, and abortion is legal in the US and similar countries. If abortion is legal, it is by definition not murder.

Murder is more than a 'legal term'.  It encompasses the morality of the killing.  You have to agree that there is a difference between killing someone in self defense and killing someone because you want their shoes, whether there is a law about it or not.

So really what you're saying is that you don't think abortion is an immoral way to end a life and therefore it is OK to kill an unborn baby, correct?  Can I ask then if you agree with partial birth abortions? or abortions into the 3rd trimester?

[Belthus]

Murder is more than a 'legal term'.  It encompasses the morality of the killing.  You have to agree that there is a difference between killing someone in self defense and killing someone because you want their shoes, whether there is a law about it or not.

So really what you're saying is that you don't think abortion is an immoral way to end a life and therefore it is OK to kill an unborn baby, correct?  Can I ask then if you agree with partial birth abortions? or abortions into the 3rd trimester?

Murder is a legal term. If you mean something else, find another word.

I think that abortion freely chosen by the pregnant woman is OK. If the pregnancy is far enough along that birth is just around the corner, it becomes more practical to restrict the woman's choice in favor of making her wait a little while and then giving the baby for adoption. The woman's health is also an issue, and the bigger the fetus, the greater the risk. "Partial-birth abortion" is a propaganda term. I don't consider the third trimester as anything sacred or written in stone, though for practical purposes, it seems to be a reasonable, easy-to-understand cutoff point.

[CB!]

Murder is more than a 'legal term'.  It encompasses the morality of the killing.  You have to agree that there is a difference between killing someone in self defense and killing someone because you want their shoes, whether there is a law about it or not.

So really what you're saying is that you don't think abortion is an immoral way to end a life and therefore it is OK to kill an unborn baby, correct?  Can I ask then if you agree with partial birth abortions? or abortions into the 3rd trimester?

Murder is a legal term. If you mean something else, find another word.

I think that abortion freely chosen by the pregnant woman is OK. If the pregnancy is far enough along that birth is just around the corner, it becomes more practical to restrict the woman's choice in favor of making her wait a little while and then giving the baby for adoption. The woman's health is also an issue, and the bigger the fetus, the greater the risk. "Partial-birth abortion" is a propaganda term. I don't consider the third trimester as anything sacred or written in stone, though for practical purposes, it seems to be a reasonable, easy-to-understand cutoff point.

I think you know what I mean by murder from the two examples I gave above.  If you need a different word to understand what I meant, then use 'immoral killing'.

Partial-birth abortion may be a propaganda term, but it describes a specific type of abortion procedure.

[bojengles77]

Fetus = Human
Abort = Kill
Abort fetus = Kill human
Kill human (in this case) = Murder

If I missed anything, please explain... I honestly cannot comprehend where a logical human being cannot see that abortion is absolutely wrong.  I can see where society for the most part will tolerate abortion, but I cannot get my mind around how somebody can sincerely defend abortion.

Thats severely oversimplifying the situation. If you define war as stopping the bad guys, stopping the bad guys is good, then war is good. Abortion isn't that simple. Like Belthus said, abortion is nature. Being against things like abortion and war and murder is fantastic, but they all happen and they all happen for a reason - maybe its not always a reason you like or want to hear but they happen and sometimes for the best.

This argument is going to end up at a huge wall where one side says this and one side says that. Abortion is circumstantial just like anything else and saying people shouldn't have abortions is similar to saying wars shouldn't happen. unfortunately, we often need these necessary evils.

[BluePriest]

So why can you kill a human that is still in the mothers womb, but you cant kill 1 that has just been born if you don't want it?

[Belthus]

So why can you kill a human that is still in the mothers womb, but you cant kill 1 that has just been born if you don't want it?

1. After birth, a baby can be given to people who want it without enslaving a pregnant woman.

2. Before birth, a woman should have control over her body. Exceptions can be made for when birth is just around the corner.

[Boingo]

2. Before birth, a woman should have control over her body. Exceptions can be made for when birth is just around the corner.

Should she have control over someone else's body too?  That was a practice fairly common in antiquity--it was called slavery then.

[Belthus]

2. Before birth, a woman should have control over her body. Exceptions can be made for when birth is just around the corner.

Should she have control over someone else's body too?  That was a practice fairly common in antiquity--it was called slavery then.

Abortion is not slavery. Slavery keeps people alive for the purpose of work or sex or something else that benefits the slave owner.