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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg65749#msg65749
« Reply #72 on: May 09, 2010, 05:01:57 am »
My question to those to support abortion:
What if your mother chose to abort you?
I'd support her decision for whatever reason it was.
That'd be impossible.  Who would be supporting the decision?
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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg65752#msg65752
« Reply #73 on: May 09, 2010, 05:22:13 am »
Hypothetical questions can be responded to with hypothetical answers.
That said I find it amazing somone could support his/her own death.

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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg65759#msg65759
« Reply #74 on: May 09, 2010, 06:03:49 am »
I'm not supporting my death. I'm supporting my mom's decision. If she really felt that she couldn't take care of me, then I could understand her aborting me.

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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg65763#msg65763
« Reply #75 on: May 09, 2010, 06:12:37 am »
I'm not supporting my death. I'm supporting my mom's decision. If she really felt that she couldn't take care of me, then I could understand her aborting me.
Isn't this a false dichotomy?  Are the only options mom supports me or I die?
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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg65829#msg65829
« Reply #76 on: May 09, 2010, 12:07:00 pm »
One of my best friends was aborted. At least, his mother tried, but the abortion failed,
and she almost died. But she survived as well as the baby, who is now married, with
two childrens, one grandson and a happy life.

I am definitely against abortion.

in France, where I live, the baby has no legal existence before the birth, so if you kill
it before the birth (by accident, or any other event) without hurting the mother, you can't
be prosecuted.

Even before the nervous system is formed, I don't think abortion is moral.
Does it mean you can kill someone if he can't feel his own death or if he does not know what it means ??

There was 20'000'000 abortions in the last 15 years in europe....  :death :death :death :death :death

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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg66191#msg66191
« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2010, 03:04:42 am »
I'd support her decision for whatever reason it was.

I'm neutral when it comes to abortions. I think that people should have the choice to do whatever they want. They'll have to live with the consequences of their decisions.
.... umm.... hypocritical much?

Choosing life IS dealing with the consequences. What you said, is that she should deal with the consequences of weather she chooses an abortion or not. So what you essentially said is that you only have to deal with consequences when it is convenient for you...

The whole point is that they should deal with the consequence of having a sexual relationship with someone.
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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg66194#msg66194
« Reply #78 on: May 10, 2010, 03:44:06 am »
I'd support her decision for whatever reason it was.

I'm neutral when it comes to abortions. I think that people should have the choice to do whatever they want. They'll have to live with the consequences of their decisions.
.... umm.... hypocritical much?

Choosing life IS dealing with the consequences. What you said, is that she should deal with the consequences of weather she chooses an abortion or not. So what you essentially said is that you only have to deal with consequences when it is convenient for you...

The whole point is that they should deal with the consequence of having a sexual relationship with someone.
But the fact that an abortion is available to people changes the situation completely and will change peoples' decision making process whether abortions are "legal" or not, they wouldn't be hard to find. Also, dealing with life isn't necessarily dealing with the consequences of a sexual relationship. Although having an abortion is probably the "easier" way out, there are psychological consequences of knowing that you aborted your unborn child. I agree that people should have the choice to do what they want within their resources and the consequences are theirs to deal with.

except from an economic standpoint, because when dumb people mess up the economy, we all pay the price.

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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg66211#msg66211
« Reply #79 on: May 10, 2010, 04:24:48 am »
why are you asking this?? ??? and im for as long as its rape or parents might have complications

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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg66216#msg66216
« Reply #80 on: May 10, 2010, 04:31:27 am »

But the fact that an abortion is available to people changes the situation completely and will change peoples' decision making process whether abortions are "legal" or not, they wouldn't be hard to find. Also, dealing with life isn't necessarily dealing with the consequences of a sexual relationship. Although having an abortion is probably the "easier" way out, there are psychological consequences of knowing that you aborted your unborn child. I agree that people should have the choice to do what they want within their resources and the consequences are theirs to deal with.

If you agree with abortions, then you are hypocritical by the bolded statement like the previous poster. You are saying you can
1)Engage in a sexual relationship
2)Find out a baby is coming from that
3)Make the decision to "wipe away" the consequence of a previous action.

So, it is ok to make the decision to abort, but only because the option is there? That, I think, is the big problem with society today. People are taught that they can do whatever they want, that they can make any decision they want, and it is ok, because they can make a decision that will make it seem like all the bad from the original decision disappeared. The reality is, that it does NOT disappear. They STILL effected the life of that baby, and nothing changes that. They also effect themselves, and possibly friend and family members as well.
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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg66228#msg66228
« Reply #81 on: May 10, 2010, 05:11:27 am »
So, it is ok to make the decision to abort, but only because the option is there? That, I think, is the big problem with society today. People are taught that they can do whatever they want, that they can make any decision they want, and it is ok, because they can make a decision that will make it seem like all the bad from the original decision disappeared. The reality is, that it does NOT disappear. They STILL effected the life of that baby, and nothing changes that. They also effect themselves, and possibly friend and family members as well.
I just fundamentally disagree with you in the fact that the life of the baby has been affected. There is no baby, its a fetus. There is no life, no personality, no traits. Maybe if the fetus were comprehensive i could understand - and this is the goal of getting rid of later abortions, which i agree with. However, if i can do something that can easily be fixed if it goes wrong, there is no huge incentive pushing me away from that option. If you had a "get out of jail free card" wouldn't you use it?

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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg66288#msg66288
« Reply #82 on: May 10, 2010, 12:12:51 pm »

I just fundamentally disagree with you in the fact that the life of the baby has been affected. There is no baby, its a fetus. There is no life, no personality, no traits. Maybe if the fetus were comprehensive i could understand - and this is the goal of getting rid of later abortions, which i agree with. However, if i can do something that can easily be fixed if it goes wrong, there is no huge incentive pushing me away from that option. If you had a "get out of jail free card" wouldn't you use it?
Life ISNT a game that has get out of jail free cards though.. Regardless of whether you agree with the baby being human at that point or not,  (which btw, whatever you want to call it is ALIVE, and I hope there is no debate about that) it is still trying to live your life with zero accountability for your actions whenever it is possible. If you make a mistake, you should deal with the consequences. We shouldnt be promoting trying to hide all of our mistakes in the shadows.
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Re: Abortion: Why so serious? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=5380.msg66305#msg66305
« Reply #83 on: May 10, 2010, 01:56:36 pm »
This: vvv

But the fact that an abortion is available to people changes the situation completely and will change peoples' decision making process whether abortions are "legal" or not, they wouldn't be hard to find. Also, dealing with life isn't necessarily dealing with the consequences of a sexual relationship. Although having an abortion is probably the "easier" way out, there are psychological consequences of knowing that you aborted your unborn child. I agree that people should have the choice to do what they want within their resources and the consequences are theirs to deal with.

except from an economic standpoint, because when dumb people mess up the economy, we all pay the price.
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I just fundamentally disagree with you in the fact that the life of the baby has been affected. There is no baby, its a fetus. There is no life, no personality, no traits. Maybe if the fetus were comprehensive i could understand - and this is the goal of getting rid of later abortions, which i agree with. However, if i can do something that can easily be fixed if it goes wrong, there is no huge incentive pushing me away from that option. If you had a "get out of jail free card" wouldn't you use it?
How can you call it an unborn child when you're talking about the emotional scars left from an abortion, but then say there's no baby, no life when defending your stance on abortion?  And at what point in the pregnancy does the fetus with no life become an unborn child?

 

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