Abortion: Why so serious?

[Uzra]

3)Your questions point to the assumption of if A=True, then B=True
4)Some of your questions are irrelevant, and really are just simply there to stereotype someone.

Well this is just no true.  The point was to see if there is a correlation or not.  If there is no correlation, then there's nothing to fear.  The contrapositive is therefor also true, and you look scared.

[BluePriest]

Heres a question, if A=B, and B=C, does that mean that A=C?

And those variables could mean anything. not just numbers. (and yes, this IS answering your questions)

[bojengles77]

Heres a question, if A=B, and B=C, does that mean that A=C?

And those variables could mean anything. not just numbers. (and yes, this IS answering your questions)

You just brought back memories from Stat class. Lurking variables, bla bla bla. Anyways, the questions were a little inane I thought. People's view on one thing can be completely independent from another. Using a few people in a sample gives absolutely invalid results, so there is no point in asking in the first place.

[BluePriest]

people on both sides thinking an issue is irrelevant is a pretty good indicator that it is IMHO

[bojengles77]

people on both sides thinking an issue is irrelevant is a pretty good indicator that it is IMHO

This don't mean we friends yo! I still hate you we EMANIES!

but no, really, those were pretty useless questions <3.

[OldTrees]

How about we test and see if there is a correlation between one's position and other things.  So answer all the questions with yes or no and maybe we'll see something.

1 Do you think abortion is ok in the case of a raped 11 year old girl?
2 What is your sex?
3 Do you think abortion is ok in the case of accidental pregnancy at 16 years old?
4 What is your religious affiliation/beliefs if any?
5 Do you think abortion is ok in the case of 3 month pregnancy and discovery of down syndrome?
6 What is your political affiliation/beliefs is any?
7 Do you support gay marriage?
8 Do you think fox news is mostly fair and balanced?

=)

A test for correlation is never satisfied with one result. Here is another
1 Maybe. Holding out for transport into an artificial womb is preferable.
2 Male. I believe it is the female's final decision
3 Maaybee. Holding out for transport into an artificial womb is default.
4 I believe in a universal moral code. (Still working on figuring it out)
5 Down syndrome in not an important detail. Artificial womb or natural birth highly recommended.
6 Libertarian
7 Yes.
8 Before the 2008 election it was fair and balanced when combined with a liberal new source. Since then they have gone a little anti Obama crazy. It will settle down in time.

[Kuu]

Wow, seriously? Abortion is not murder. Let us, once again, consult the Oxford Dictionary.

murder

noun

1 the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another

Now, abortion is technically lawful in the United States, but is it lawful according to moral law? I would say not because murder is simply murder. A baby is a human being no matter how old the person happens to be. Often I here people say that the baby is not really a person yet. THEN WHAT THE HECK IS IT!!! A DUCK PERHAPS?!

Sorry. It annoys me when people say that.

As to the question of what else we should do with the babies: give them up for adoption perhaps? It would be better than killing them. Even better would be if the stupid people didn't have sex in the first place if they were ready for a baby, and their mistakes certainly don't justify killing the child.

[OldTrees]

Wow, seriously? Abortion is not murder. Let us, once again, consult the Oxford Dictionary.

murder

noun

1 the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another

Now, abortion is technically lawful in the United States, but is it lawful according to moral law? I would say not because murder is simply murder. A baby is a human being no matter how old the person happens to be. Often I here people say that the baby is not really a person yet. THEN WHAT THE HECK IS IT!!! A DUCK PERHAPS?!

Sorry. It annoys me when people say that.

As to the question of what else we should do with the babies: give them up for adoption perhaps? It would be better than killing them. Even better would be if the stupid people didn't have sex in the first place if they were ready for a baby, and their mistakes certainly don't justify killing the child.

Perhaps you are using the wrong definition.

The word murder as being discussed in this thread is
Murder: "Immoral killing"

Also the question is not whether Abortion is a good idea (all sides agree it is not) but rather is it morally permissible. This question is very controversial even from philosophers with sophisticated reasoned arguments unlike the public discourse.

Also it is rare for anyone to claim that the abortion of a baby is permissible. Usually the claim is about an earlier biological form back to and including the instant of conception.

[Bloodyfrenzy]

people don't consider abortion as murder because the baby is still part of the mother it hasn't actually developed a separate conscious yet, in most cases the brain hasn't even developed yet so its no different to deciding to have sex with a condom. Artificial wombs would not work as the children born from them would have a poor self image as they would no they are unwanted this would lead to an increase in orphans, also to do this you would have to develop the technology( which would cost heaps but that is irrelevant as you cant put a price on human life) and this would give humans dangerous amounts of power.

[OldTrees]

people don't consider abortion as murder because the baby is still part of the mother it hasn't actually developed a separate conscious yet, in most cases the brain hasn't even developed yet so its no different to deciding to have sex with a condom. Artificial wombs would not work as the children born from them would have a poor self image as they would no they are unwanted this would lead to an increase in orphans, also to do this you would have to develop the technology( which would cost heaps but that is irrelevant as you cant put a price on human life) and this would give humans dangerous amounts of power.

Life with self esteem problems is superior IMHO to death. Also Artificial Womb children would be no worse off then most children set up for adoption.

[Bloodyfrenzy]

yes self esteem issues is better than death but it would be far worse than adoption as they will feel inhuman ( and be treated the same way based off humanity's track record) as they would never have a grown inside of their mother, thereby not only making them extremely different to any other human but also another breaking the connection between the mother and the child( by this  i mean the child will feel as if they never had any parents) as orphans often go and find their blood parents this breaking in the connection means it would be less likely the child would search for the parents and even less that their parents will care. BTW i know a lot of this is speculation but thats all we can really do from this position.

[Kuu]

Perhaps you are using the wrong definition.

The word murder as being discussed in this thread is
Murder: "Immoral killing"

Also the question is not whether Abortion is a good idea (all sides agree it is not) but rather is it morally permissible. This question is very controversial even from philosophers with sophisticated reasoned arguments unlike the public discourse.

Also it is rare for anyone to claim that the abortion of a baby is permissible. Usually the claim is about an earlier biological form back to and including the instant of conception.

My apologies, I must have misunderstood the question. The first person (who started the thread) said that abortion is not murder, which I disagree with. I would definitely say that partial birth abortion is murder, and it is a horrific process, but in earlier stages it becomes more difficult to tell. I would still say it's murder, because killing an human is still immoral no matter how young or small, but at least the baby isn't concious yet.