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Re: Soul https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31435.msg451745#msg451745
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2012, 02:39:56 am »
The soul is an outdated concept rooted in a dualistic understanding of human beings (i.e., a spiritual "ghost" occupying and controlling a physical "machine"). Modern science shows us that every subjective experience happens through physical mechanisms - e.g., electrical and chemical signals in the nervous system. Your subjective sense of self is completely dependent on your nervous system.
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Re: Soul https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31435.msg452828#msg452828
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2012, 01:53:16 am »
The soul is an outdated concept rooted in a dualistic understanding of human beings (i.e., a spiritual "ghost" occupying and controlling a physical "machine"). Modern science shows us that every subjective experience happens through physical mechanisms - e.g., electrical and chemical signals in the nervous system. Your subjective sense of self is completely dependent on your nervous system.
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doesnt preclude the existence of a soul, which may well control the body by the intricate means of physically changing the brain.  it could also go the other way, the physical machine being automous, "imprinting" itself onto the spiritual ghost..
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Re: Soul https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31435.msg453728#msg453728
« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2012, 05:44:54 am »
The soul is an outdated concept rooted in a dualistic understanding of human beings (i.e., a spiritual "ghost" occupying and controlling a physical "machine"). Modern science shows us that every subjective experience happens through physical mechanisms - e.g., electrical and chemical signals in the nervous system. Your subjective sense of self is completely dependent on your nervous system.
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doesnt preclude the existence of a soul, which may well control the body by the intricate means of physically changing the brain.  it could also go the other way, the physical machine being automous, "imprinting" itself onto the spiritual ghost..
Yes, and maybe all reality is a hallucination, and the real world is a horrible dystopia like in The Matrix. Both claims are equally (un)reliable and (ir)relevant.

You can't "preclude" anything, but that doesn't mean you go around believing in anything and everything. "Spiritual ghost"?! Is that a serious proposition?! Perhaps you'd be interested in some "spiritual healing" I could sell you over the internet for a modest fee.

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Re: Soul https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31435.msg457103#msg457103
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2012, 02:01:30 am »
The soul is an outdated concept rooted in a dualistic understanding of human beings (i.e., a spiritual "ghost" occupying and controlling a physical "machine"). Modern science shows us that every subjective experience happens through physical mechanisms - e.g., electrical and chemical signals in the nervous system. Your subjective sense of self is completely dependent on your nervous system.
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doesnt preclude the existence of a soul, which may well control the body by the intricate means of physically changing the brain.  it could also go the other way, the physical machine being automous, "imprinting" itself onto the spiritual ghost..
Yes, and maybe all reality is a hallucination, and the real world is a horrible dystopia like in The Matrix. Both claims are equally (un)reliable and (ir)relevant.

You can't "preclude" anything, but that doesn't mean you go around believing in anything and everything. "Spiritual ghost"?! Is that a serious proposition?! Perhaps you'd be interested in some "spiritual healing" I could sell you over the internet for a modest fee.
not saying you should go around believing anything and everything, simply countering specific arguments.  i used the term spiritual ghost because the person i was responding to did.
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Re: Soul https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31435.msg457260#msg457260
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2012, 04:14:22 pm »
doesnt preclude the existence of a soul, which may well control the body by the intricate means of physically changing the brain.  it could also go the other way, the physical machine being automous, "imprinting" itself onto the spiritual ghost..
What you suggest is unparsimonious. You or someone else are still welcome to look for evidence for that proposition. Until such evidence is presented, the soul is like the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. "Mommy, I stayed up all night, and he didn't come down the chimney!" "That's because there was a storm in Brazil and his sled is running a little late. But he will come here at some point."

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Re: Soul https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31435.msg457403#msg457403
« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2012, 12:59:29 am »
doesnt preclude the existence of a soul, which may well control the body by the intricate means of physically changing the brain.  it could also go the other way, the physical machine being automous, "imprinting" itself onto the spiritual ghost..
What you suggest is unparsimonious. You or someone else are still welcome to look for evidence for that proposition. Until such evidence is presented, the soul is like the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. "Mommy, I stayed up all night, and he didn't come down the chimney!" "That's because there was a storm in Brazil and his sled is running a little late. But he will come here at some point."
valid point.  at the same time though, "Mommy, I stayed up all night, and he didn't come down the chimney!"  is not a way to prove santa doesnt exist either.  granted its near impossible to disprove something like a soul (or most things for that matter) so any arguments for definitive absence are going to be as flawed as arguments for definitive presence.  now, this does become a problem when people start trying to use these types of arguments to affect real world decisions (like "i dont want medication, ill just pray") but as long as we are just discussing the philosophical  implications, its all well and good.
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Re: Soul https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31435.msg457412#msg457412
« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2012, 01:34:02 am »
doesnt preclude the existence of a soul, which may well control the body by the intricate means of physically changing the brain.  it could also go the other way, the physical machine being automous, "imprinting" itself onto the spiritual ghost..
What you suggest is unparsimonious. You or someone else are still welcome to look for evidence for that proposition. Until such evidence is presented, the soul is like the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. "Mommy, I stayed up all night, and he didn't come down the chimney!" "That's because there was a storm in Brazil and his sled is running a little late. But he will come here at some point."
valid point.  at the same time though, "Mommy, I stayed up all night, and he didn't come down the chimney!"  is not a way to prove santa doesnt exist either.  granted its near impossible to disprove something like a soul (or most things for that matter) so any arguments for definitive absence are going to be as flawed as arguments for definitive presence.  now, this does become a problem when people start trying to use these types of arguments to affect real world decisions (like "i dont want medication, ill just pray") but as long as we are just discussing the philosophical  implications, its all well and good.
The concept of a soul could have one of two characters:
1) If a soul exists then there necessarily exists evidence for souls even if the evidence is unknown.
Evidence for Souls existEvidence against Souls exists
Souls existYesNo
Souls don't existNoNo
In this case there is good reason to reject the concept of souls until such evidence would be found.

2) If a soul exists then there does not necessarily exists evidence for souls even if the evidence is unknown.
Evidence for Souls existEvidence against Souls exists
Souls existNoNo
Souls don't existNoNo
In this case there is no reason to reject either position. Though there is good reason against holding both positions.
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Re: Soul https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31435.msg523730#msg523730
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2012, 08:28:36 pm »
a guy once determand the soul is about 24ML grams
i forgot his name sorry

 

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