Save the world or listen to God?

[kimham8a]

From a completely logical perspective, this sounds fine, but personally in such a situation I (and, I think, Kieerkegaard) would do no such thing. I think the simple phrase ''killing the world'' and the loose word ''murder'' makes you see things completely objectively, but when you specificallly think of each individual person, for example your mother, screaming and trying to get away from you (because they wouldn't just sit there while you stab them), no matter what you're going to be subjective when you're actually chasing/stabbing them (and therefore not hurt them).
P.S. Just in case someone reading this is convinced that God has just told them to do something crazy, please don't do it, there's ALWAYS a chance you could be wrong. (saw this case on the news with a mother killing her three kids eeek!)

What I meant was that in a situation where you hear the pain or committing the act is a 'psychotic' act it makes it much harder, maybe might even make you change your mind about what your doing. Hopefully that clears things up.

About the nature of God, why can't God have fun? Jesus had fun on earth. Also, why can't he consider us his property? He made everything...what are you going to tell God if he decides to destroy some star way off in nowhere? Tell him he can't? Also, what right do we have to say God can't morally kill us? Like from earlier, maybe what God says is what is moral and that is how he wants things. Kind of like if your the owner of a store, you can store policy whenever you feel like it. Up to you.
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I don't think God can have fun; he's not human. Some animals, for example, don't ever have ''fun''. Fun is not required for an all powerful being that already knows everything.

[northcity4]

From a completely logical perspective, this sounds fine, but personally in such a situation I (and, I think, Kieerkegaard) would do no such thing. I think the simple phrase ''killing the world'' and the loose word ''murder'' makes you see things completely objectively, but when you specificallly think of each individual person, for example your mother, screaming and trying to get away from you (because they wouldn't just sit there while you stab them), no matter what you're going to be subjective when you're actually chasing/stabbing them (and therefore not hurt them).
P.S. Just in case someone reading this is convinced that God has just told them to do something crazy, please don't do it, there's ALWAYS a chance you could be wrong. (saw this case on the news with a mother killing her three kids eeek!)

What I meant was that in a situation where you hear the pain or committing the act is a 'psychotic' act it makes it much harder, maybe might even make you change your mind about what your doing. Hopefully that clears things up.

About the nature of God, why can't God have fun? Jesus had fun on earth. Also, why can't he consider us his property? He made everything...what are you going to tell God if he decides to destroy some star way off in nowhere? Tell him he can't? Also, what right do we have to say God can't morally kill us? Like from earlier, maybe what God says is what is moral and that is how he wants things. Kind of like if your the owner of a store, you can store policy whenever you feel like it. Up to you.

I don't think God can have fun; he's not human. Some animals, for example, don't ever have ''fun''. Fun is not required for an all powerful being that already knows everything.
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You do know God became human and had fun. Bible is very explicit about that.

[storyteller]

From a completely logical perspective, this sounds fine, but personally in such a situation I (and, I think, Kieerkegaard) would do no such thing. I think the simple phrase ''killing the world'' and the loose word ''murder'' makes you see things completely objectively, but when you specificallly think of each individual person, for example your mother, screaming and trying to get away from you (because they wouldn't just sit there while you stab them), no matter what you're going to be subjective when you're actually chasing/stabbing them (and therefore not hurt them).
P.S. Just in case someone reading this is convinced that God has just told them to do something crazy, please don't do it, there's ALWAYS a chance you could be wrong. (saw this case on the news with a mother killing her three kids eeek!)

What I meant was that in a situation where you hear the pain or committing the act is a 'psychotic' act it makes it much harder, maybe might even make you change your mind about what your doing. Hopefully that clears things up.

About the nature of God, why can't God have fun? Jesus had fun on earth. Also, why can't he consider us his property? He made everything...what are you going to tell God if he decides to destroy some star way off in nowhere? Tell him he can't? Also, what right do we have to say God can't morally kill us? Like from earlier, maybe what God says is what is moral and that is how he wants things. Kind of like if your the owner of a store, you can store policy whenever you feel like it. Up to you.

I don't think God can have fun; he's not human. Some animals, for example, don't ever have ''fun''. Fun is not required for an all powerful being that already knows everything.

You do know God became human and had fun. Bible is very explicit about that.
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thats only if you take the bible as being accurate about events.

[northcity4]

From a completely logical perspective, this sounds fine, but personally in such a situation I (and, I think, Kieerkegaard) would do no such thing. I think the simple phrase ''killing the world'' and the loose word ''murder'' makes you see things completely objectively, but when you specificallly think of each individual person, for example your mother, screaming and trying to get away from you (because they wouldn't just sit there while you stab them), no matter what you're going to be subjective when you're actually chasing/stabbing them (and therefore not hurt them).
P.S. Just in case someone reading this is convinced that God has just told them to do something crazy, please don't do it, there's ALWAYS a chance you could be wrong. (saw this case on the news with a mother killing her three kids eeek!)

What I meant was that in a situation where you hear the pain or committing the act is a 'psychotic' act it makes it much harder, maybe might even make you change your mind about what your doing. Hopefully that clears things up.

About the nature of God, why can't God have fun? Jesus had fun on earth. Also, why can't he consider us his property? He made everything...what are you going to tell God if he decides to destroy some star way off in nowhere? Tell him he can't? Also, what right do we have to say God can't morally kill us? Like from earlier, maybe what God says is what is moral and that is how he wants things. Kind of like if your the owner of a store, you can store policy whenever you feel like it. Up to you.

I don't think God can have fun; he's not human. Some animals, for example, don't ever have ''fun''. Fun is not required for an all powerful being that already knows everything.

You do know God became human and had fun. Bible is very explicit about that.

thats only if you take the bible as being accurate about events.
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And it has been historically proven. They teach in almost every school now about Jesus, but as a historical figure, kind of like Siddhartha in Buddhism, plus all those stories about the wars in the Old Testament...historically proven. They have found remains of battle fields and other artifacts right where the bible said it happened. They actually found Noah's Ark dude as well. The only difference is they discount all the miracles he did.

I have been talking with some doctor's/people who are very familiar with chemistry and they showed things like how water into wine is actually possible. Did you know if you mix sodium carbonate and water together you can get wine? I understand there are certain conditions to be met, but it has been done today. The more and more I see the possibilities of these things the more and more I see them as true.

Regardless, we are here about nuking the world lol  Bible has been historically proven very well. Jesus in almost every school is being taught as real. So, I am going to ask again, Jesus can have fun, so why can't Jesus just blow up the world for fun? By definition morals do not define a God.

[storyteller]

ok, you are a fanatic. you see no reason, only your emotion.

no one, has ever proven, Jesus, was the incarnation of god. many things in the bible contradict themselves. much of the bible is filled with superstitious nonsense.

some things in the bible are true. that does not mean all of it is.

[northcity4]

No, actually you are. All this debate is over if God could actually have fun. Every public school I have visited teaches Jesus as being a real historical figure. So, for simplicity...assuming Jesus was God, he really did have fun on earth, so why not in Heaven or where ever else he is? Quit avoiding the question please? Why not nuke the world because to him it's so much fun. Also, you haven't really debated over morals as well. You want to actually debate back with some actual argument instead of just saying things?

ok, you are a fanatic. you see no reason, only your emotion.

no one, has ever proven, Jesus, was the incarnation of god. many things in the bible contradict themselves. much of the bible is filled with superstitious nonsense.

some things in the bible are true. that does not mean all of it is.

[kimham8a]

I'm not familiar with the bible, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought even the bible said Jesus wasn't God. Didn't Jesus pray to God as someone other than himself?

[northcity4]

I'm not familiar with the bible, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought even the bible said Jesus wasn't God. Didn't Jesus pray to God as someone other than himself?

Please understand for everyone else this is off topic and please do not reply to this in terms of "save the world or listen to god.

This is a valid question, even for someone who doesn't know a lot. Jesus was God to be clear, but about him praying...Jesus came down as Human to relate to us. What he did and went through was in Human form=something humans can relate too. When he prayed to God: one one point he was praying to show us how we should pray, on the other hand it seems weird because if he's praying to God, isn't he praying to himself (Personally, I think it's crap when people say Jesus is 3 persons...Jesus is one person=God, trinity is better described as 3 personalities)? Here is a link to this question, but in case that is confusing, just understand that for God praying to himself is like a reminder of the sole reason he came to earth in the first place. Even for him as human and other humans, it's not easy staying sane knowing you are going to die. By reminding himself that I have the power of God/I am God, he could find comfort in knowing that he could overcome this problem. http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-pray-God.html

[kimham8a]

Hey, it WAS on topic, we were discussing the reason for motivations for God to ask a person to kill the world. It was a few posts ago so I guess it got smushed.
Anyway, even if God tried being a person, he wouldn't suddenly gain human characteristics to have fun killing people or ''his property''. He cannot/should not change, being already perfect.
To restate, God would not simply ask someone to kill others for fun, because he cannot have fun and he is supposedly all-loving. If he asked such a thing it would be some kind of test.
This finally ties back to how you should act when asked such a question by God.

[storyteller]

No, actually you are. All this debate is over if God could actually have fun. Every public school I have visited teaches Jesus as being a real historical figure. So, for simplicity...assuming Jesus was God, he really did have fun on earth, so why not in Heaven or where ever else he is? Quit avoiding the question please? Why not nuke the world because to him it's so much fun. Also, you haven't really debated over morals as well. You want to actually debate back with some actual argument instead of just saying things?

ok, you are a fanatic. you see no reason, only your emotion.

no one, has ever proven, Jesus, was the incarnation of god. many things in the bible contradict themselves. much of the bible is filled with superstitious nonsense.

some things in the bible are true. that does not mean all of it is.

you dont listen to reason. your mind is made up. you jump to conclusions without merit. I have no interest in preaching to a rock, good day.

[northcity4]

No, actually you are. All this debate is over if God could actually have fun. Every public school I have visited teaches Jesus as being a real historical figure. So, for simplicity...assuming Jesus was God, he really did have fun on earth, so why not in Heaven or where ever else he is? Quit avoiding the question please? Why not nuke the world because to him it's so much fun. Also, you haven't really debated over morals as well. You want to actually debate back with some actual argument instead of just saying things?

ok, you are a fanatic. you see no reason, only your emotion.

no one, has ever proven, Jesus, was the incarnation of god. many things in the bible contradict themselves. much of the bible is filled with superstitious nonsense.

some things in the bible are true. that does not mean all of it is.

you dont listen to reason. your mind is made up. you jump to conclusions without merit. I have no interest in preaching to a rock, good day.

Who is this guy lol? He needs to open his mind. Made some bold statements and supplied no evidence to back him....good luck to you

[northcity4]

Hey, it WAS on topic, we were discussing the reason for motivations for God to ask a person to kill the world. It was a few posts ago so I guess it got smushed.
Anyway, even if God tried being a person, he wouldn't suddenly gain human characteristics to have fun killing people or ''his property''. He cannot/should not change, being already perfect.
To restate, God would not simply ask someone to kill others for fun, because he cannot have fun and he is supposedly all-loving. If he asked such a thing it would be some kind of test.
This finally ties back to how you should act when asked such a question by God.

God didn't try being a person, he WAS a person. He did have human characteristics. I encourage you to read any of the gospels...trust me he did. The purpose between me and that close-minded guy was to show God can have fun. It is possible. On the philosophy on religion, it is very possible God can be an immoral God. God is also all omni=he can change. [Now, as far as human characteristics go, we need to be careful. There is a lot of debate over the passage in Genesis where God makes humans in HIS image. Maybe our characteristics are God's. It's a possibility, but again I can't say much.]---just a response, don't worry about this bracketed part, let's stay on topic

Bad people can act loving then later turn on you. Happens all the time. What if this whole time God ACTED loving, even dying on the cross (best troll ever if this is true) to make us believe he's loving but in reality wanted to set us up top maximize his fun. Again this is really only important to the topic of if God is a bad God and nuking the world is his idea of fun.

Maybe God is a bad God and nuking the world was forced upon him. Maybe there are multiple Gods, and hes the scapegoat to take the blame for other Gods?

(Side note, interesting how the evolution argument included God making the universe). I have taken the liberty of posting a the part of my notes here for you guys to read. This information was created by Pierre-Simon LaPlace and Hume. Here is my response: if God is bad, has been trolling us this entire time, nuking the world could be a possibility. If God is good, why can't he be the puppet of other God's?






Evolutionists then make their case: 1) Doesn't get you the Judeo-Christian God and 2) Doesn't prove God is infinite. Hume said the universe is finite. Doesn't take an infinite God to make a finite universe. You only need a powerful God. Your cause should be proportioned to the effect. Example: Let's say you are in the weight room and a 100lb. weight is in front of you. You don't need infinite amount of strength to pick it up. You only need enough strength to pick it up. Like Physics: A 100lb. wheel in front of you needs 101lb or more of force to move it. In the same way: if the universe id finite, you only need a strong enough or powerful enough God to create it, not an infinitely powerful God. 2) Since we don't get the Judeo-Christian God, God doesn't have to be good. Explains disease, war, famine. Also, then there could be more than one God. It takes lots of people to make a watch, especially a big one like the universe. Where there are lots of people, usually there are both men and women. God can also be a "she." And what happens when men and women are around? They have sex= produce little Gods. This is not the Judeo-Christian God.