Save the world or listen to God?

[OldTrees]

@northcity4
1) The reference to evolutionists seems off topic.
2) I am getting tired of reminding you that Evolution and Theism are separate topics and not in opposition. Please amend your future language to reflect this knowledge rather than the prior misunderstanding. You will appear less fanatical if you follow this advice.

[kimham8a]

The original question speaks of God, not a troll.
I mean should you listen to God no matter what he says assuming he's all good, loving, etc.
As a perfect God, he would not change, although the Noah's Ark thing seems to contradict his perfection.
Either way, we are assuming God is perfect, and nothing could be ''better''.

[northcity4]

@northcity4
1) The reference to evolutionists seems off topic.
2) I am getting tired of reminding you that Evolution and Theism are separate topics and not in opposition. Please amend your future language to reflect this knowledge rather than the prior misunderstanding. You will appear less fanatical if you follow this advice.

Not arguing evolution/theism. Just making my point that it is possible God is a bad God/puppet of other Gods. You cannot discredit the possibility.


PS: can you pm me how the topics are not in opposition? Also please tell me my posts that reflect them being in opposition in this thread?

[northcity4]

The original question speaks of God, not a troll.
I mean should you listen to God no matter what he says assuming he's all good, loving, etc.
As a perfect God, he would not change, although the Noah's Ark thing seems to contradict his perfection.
Either way, we are assuming God is perfect, and nothing could be ''better''.

ASSUMING God is loving/all good brings up a problem.

1) If God is the Judeo-Christian God, he would never ask us to nuke the world. If he does, that brings into question how good is he? Also, maybe God's definition of good is different from ours.
2) Noah's Ark: great point. As someone already posted, he never said he would destroy the earth by flood again....that leaves the possibility that nuking the world is ok. The other issue is God isn't sending the nuke, but asking someone to to do it. Now, if this person disobeys God, this could be terribly bad for the person...or maybe it is a test (Abraham and his son). Maybe God wants to see your true moral character...to know that something is wrong even if God asks you to do it.

As posted before this post, let's ASSUME God is not known if he is good/bad. Does this clarify what I was trying to say about God being a bad God?

[storyteller]

@northcity4
1) The reference to evolutionists seems off topic.
2) I am getting tired of reminding you that Evolution and Theism are separate topics and not in opposition. Please amend your future language to reflect this knowledge rather than the prior misunderstanding. You will appear less fanatical if you follow this advice.

Not arguing evolution/theism. Just making my point that it is possible God is a bad God/puppet of other Gods. You cannot discredit the possibility.

this is irrelevant to the question at hand. there is no need to consider it in this situation.

[memimemi]

@northcity4
1) The reference to evolutionists seems off topic.
2) I am getting tired of reminding you that Evolution and Theism are separate topics and not in opposition. Please amend your future language to reflect this knowledge rather than the prior misunderstanding. You will appear less fanatical if you follow this advice.

Forgive this one, OT.  Just realized where I'd heard the name 'Ken Ham,' the <ahem> bible scholar he claims as a good source, before.

Here is where northcity4 seems to be finding 'science,' 'philosophy,' and 'education.'

So, we're dealing with someone who is either a very odd sort of troll, or a true believer.  If you've read your Hoffer (as a philo. major, I presume you have), you know the futility of trying to phase a true believer with such weak things as facts, evidence, or reality.

[kimham8a]

@northcity4
1) The reference to evolutionists seems off topic.
2) I am getting tired of reminding you that Evolution and Theism are separate topics and not in opposition. Please amend your future language to reflect this knowledge rather than the prior misunderstanding. You will appear less fanatical if you follow this advice.

Forgive this one, OT.  Just realized where I'd heard the name 'Ken Ham,' the <ahem> bible scholar he claims as a good source, before.

Here is where northcity4 seems to be finding 'science,' 'philosophy,' and 'education.'

So, we're dealing with someone who is either a very odd sort of troll, or a true believer.  If you've read your Hoffer (as a philo. major, I presume you have), you know the futility of trying to phase a true believer with such weak things as facts, evidence, or reality.

Off-topic, but I sat here for almost a minute wondering why you were referring to me as a 'bible scholar' and how you could spell my username that badly lol.

[northcity4]

@northcity4
1) The reference to evolutionists seems off topic.
2) I am getting tired of reminding you that Evolution and Theism are separate topics and not in opposition. Please amend your future language to reflect this knowledge rather than the prior misunderstanding. You will appear less fanatical if you follow this advice.

Forgive this one, OT.  Just realized where I'd heard the name 'Ken Ham,' the <ahem> bible scholar he claims as a good source, before.

Here is where northcity4 seems to be finding 'science,' 'philosophy,' and 'education.'

So, we're dealing with someone who is either a very odd sort of troll, or a true believer.  If you've read your Hoffer (as a philo. major, I presume you have), you know the futility of trying to phase a true believer with such weak things as facts, evidence, or reality.

To be honest, I think what I am about to say most of you agree with. If a believer cannot accept facts/evidence/reality...they need help.

Story teller, I think it's relevant because if God asked you to nuke the world, there must be a purpose behind it. Why do you say it is irrelevant?

[northcity4]

@northcity4
1) The reference to evolutionists seems off topic.
2) I am getting tired of reminding you that Evolution and Theism are separate topics and not in opposition. Please amend your future language to reflect this knowledge rather than the prior misunderstanding. You will appear less fanatical if you follow this advice.

Forgive this one, OT.  Just realized where I'd heard the name 'Ken Ham,' the <ahem> bible scholar he claims as a good source, before.

Here is where northcity4 seems to be finding 'science,' 'philosophy,' and 'education.'

So, we're dealing with someone who is either a very odd sort of troll, or a true believer.  If you've read your Hoffer (as a philo. major, I presume you have), you know the futility of trying to phase a true believer with such weak things as facts, evidence, or reality.

Off-topic, but I sat here for almost a minute wondering why you were referring to me as a 'bible scholar' and how you could spell my username that badly lol.

LOL!!!

[storyteller]

@northcity4
1) The reference to evolutionists seems off topic.
2) I am getting tired of reminding you that Evolution and Theism are separate topics and not in opposition. Please amend your future language to reflect this knowledge rather than the prior misunderstanding. You will appear less fanatical if you follow this advice.

Forgive this one, OT.  Just realized where I'd heard the name 'Ken Ham,' the <ahem> bible scholar he claims as a good source, before.

Here is where northcity4 seems to be finding 'science,' 'philosophy,' and 'education.'

So, we're dealing with someone who is either a very odd sort of troll, or a true believer.  If you've read your Hoffer (as a philo. major, I presume you have), you know the futility of trying to phase a true believer with such weak things as facts, evidence, or reality.

To be honest, I think what I am about to say most of you agree with. If a believer cannot accept facts/evidence/reality...they need help.

Story teller, I think it's relevant because if God asked you to nuke the world, there must be a purpose behind it. Why do you say it is irrelevant?

you have no need to understand, question, ponder, or know the purpose. the affinity or nature of god is irrelevant. only the request as explained in the initial scenario. given the phrasing, your personal relationship with god is relevant, but the nature of god or its alignment is not.

[northcity4]

@northcity4
1) The reference to evolutionists seems off topic.
2) I am getting tired of reminding you that Evolution and Theism are separate topics and not in opposition. Please amend your future language to reflect this knowledge rather than the prior misunderstanding. You will appear less fanatical if you follow this advice.

Forgive this one, OT.  Just realized where I'd heard the name 'Ken Ham,' the <ahem> bible scholar he claims as a good source, before.

Here is where northcity4 seems to be finding 'science,' 'philosophy,' and 'education.'

So, we're dealing with someone who is either a very odd sort of troll, or a true believer.  If you've read your Hoffer (as a philo. major, I presume you have), you know the futility of trying to phase a true believer with such weak things as facts, evidence, or reality.

To be honest, I think what I am about to say most of you agree with. If a believer cannot accept facts/evidence/reality...they need help.

Story teller, I think it's relevant because if God asked you to nuke the world, there must be a purpose behind it. Why do you say it is irrelevant?

you have no need to understand, question, ponder, or know the purpose. the affinity or nature of god is irrelevant. only the request as explained in the initial scenario. given the phrasing, your personal relationship with god is relevant, but the nature of god or its alignment is not.

I beg to differ. That is like blindly doing whatever God tells you to do. Kings back in the day had such authority that when they asked you to do something, you did it without question, but this was soon opposed due to the morality behind the king.

First of all, I never claimed to being a believer, the nature of my posts come strictly off my notes.
So, you agree a relationship with god matters to the person. So, let's say in the initial scenario the person knew God was an immoral god. He has the right to question him.
God asked Moses to speak to Pharoah in egypt and during this time, if you approached Pharoah and angered him enough, you signed your own death warrant.

God didn't smite moses for questioning him. He gave him some reasonable reasons and solutions as to why. There is no problem in asking why God would want to nuke the world. Arguing he's a bad God is just a possibility you are refusing to understand.

If you are assuming the God we are talking about is the Judeo-Christian God, then actually say so in your post please. And then, please give some reasons why that type of God would ever ask such a thing. I feel like you have turned this topic into a boxing match with me instead of actually considering the possibilities. It's one thing to say this is stupid. It's another to say this is stupid because...and finally, the best thing you can do is say this is stupid, because...here are my sources/notes/etc

[storyteller]

you make many assumptions and stray frim the topic. you seem more interested in proving a point, and seeming insightful, than actually discussing the matter at hand. I gave you a second chance, Im not going to waste my time.