Poll

Do you prefer safety or freedom?

Safety
3 (11.5%)
Freedom
14 (53.8%)
Something more practical
3 (11.5%)
Neither
0 (0%)
Cake
6 (23.1%)

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Re: Safety or Freedom? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42741.msg534021#msg534021
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2012, 05:36:00 am »
It's a false dichotomy: neither safety nor freedom precludes the other.

An analogous question would be: do you choose water or air?  To not choose both is to not live.  If you rephrased your query to probe what degree of safety, and what degree of freedom, one finds optimal, then you'd have a question.

Right now, it's a non-question: absolute freedom is impossible, as is absolute safety.  And that's without even having to precisely define either 'freedom' or 'safety.'

An analogous question would be: would you rather exhale, or inhale?  One cannot be in a constant state of exhalation, nor inhalation, without soon no longer being able to ask the question at all!

tl;hatenitpicking: Freedom, since it's the default state of Man.  Safety is what we call not having to deal with the consequences of living in a universe populated by free (unrestricted), autonomous entities.

That is why you can choose 'neither' as your answer if you wanted to.
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Re: Safety or Freedom? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42741.msg534024#msg534024
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2012, 05:45:33 am »

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That is why you can choose 'neither' as your answer if you wanted to.
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Ah, but 'neither' implies 'neither safety nor freedom.'  My point is that you can't have one without the other; without some measure of both, one would not be able to live. 
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Re: Safety or Freedom? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42741.msg534026#msg534026
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2012, 05:49:52 am »
Yes, but I put "Neither (aka something more practical)", so you could choose an alternative between safety and freedom. Without freedom, you won't be safe and vice versa, ceterus paribus.
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Re: Safety or Freedom? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42741.msg534028#msg534028
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2012, 05:51:54 am »

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That is why you can choose 'neither' as your answer if you wanted to.

Ah, but 'neither' implies 'neither safety nor freedom.'  My point is that you can't have one without the other; without some measure of both, one would not be able to live.
It's also worth noting that 'neither' could imply you don't go with any value or you could be going with a third value not mentioned on the poll. There is a difference. (not going with any value would imply rejection of life, while going with a third value simply puts less emphasis on the first two and is more of a compromise)

I believe neither and 'choose something more practical' should become two separate options. Neither seems nihilistc. Taking a third option does not.

How would you answer to the fact that Freedom inevitably provokes Safety measures and Safety encourages rebellious Freedom?
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Re: Safety or Freedom? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42741.msg534032#msg534032
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2012, 06:14:08 am »
Alright, poll edited.
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