Origin of Creation

[Bloodshadow]

The observable universe is a proper subset of the 'abstract concept' universe, as you put it. It is not a proper subset of the physical universe - it is the entirety of the physical universe, as no information can be conveyed to us from beyond its boundaries.

It is true that no information from beyond the observable universe can reach us. However, many physical theories require that the entire universe to be larger than the observable universe. It would be silly to dismiss these otherwise valid theories just because we can't observe beyond the, well, observable universe.

Also, faster-than-light drives may not be totally impossible after all.

[cometbah]

The observable universe is a proper subset of the 'abstract concept' universe, as you put it. It is not a proper subset of the physical universe - it is the entirety of the physical universe, as no information can be conveyed to us from beyond its boundaries.

It is true that no information from beyond the observable universe can reach us. However, many physical theories require that the entire universe to be larger than the observable universe. It would be silly to dismiss these otherwise valid theories just because we can't observe beyond the, well, observable universe.

Also, faster-than-light drives may not be totally impossible after all.

We can have models to which things from beyond the observable universe are relevant. A simple, 'every-day' example: we can model a system to see what something in the system will look like in the future. However, that doesn't mean that the future-thing can be said to 'exist' for us (at least not yet!).

I will refrain from discussing that faster-than-light thing as I have not looked at the mathematics behind it (nor do I expect to understand it).

[Bloodshadow]

We can have models to which things from beyond the observable universe are relevant. A simple, 'every-day' example: we can model a system to see what something in the system will look like in the future. However, that doesn't mean that the future-thing can be said to 'exist' for us (at least not yet!).

What does it mean to "exist"?

Also, I'm not totally dismissing the possibilities of tachyons existing.

[Savage]

I think he was talking about super-novas. Like, we have to wait for the light to reach us for it to 'exist' in our view. Anyone near the nova of course saw it first, but we will see it later.

And I think he meant to apply this to all things: eventually light given off will reach earth and that thing will exist in our view rather than existing outside of our view.

[Bloodshadow]

I know what he meant, man. I know what the observable universe means in the cosmological sense.

[Savage]

What does it mean to "exist"?

You did ask.

[Bloodshadow]

But he also referred to the predicted future state of a system and said future state not "existing" until the system reaches that state. That has nothing to do with relativity or the speed of light, assuming that the system is reasonably close to us.

[Savage]

So, would you say he is talking more about time then? It is assumable that a baby will get to at least 5 feet tall, but we won't see it hit that mark until years down the road. Is that your understanding/interpretation of his word 'exist?'

[Bloodshadow]

My current interpretation of what he means isn't really relevant, as I've asked him to define existence.

[Zso_Zso]

How do you think people came about? Science says evolution, but where did what we evolve from come from? And where did that come from?
Edit: According to OT it is not evolution. So besides the science outlook, how else can we look at this question?

I think every thing is an active possibility, stemming from previous possibilities, like a family tree. Now i assume that the first possibility had to be a paradox, or created itself, so i'm stuck.  Is existence a paradox?

So what are your thoughts?

Well, I hate to break it to you, but you -- just as other people -- don't actually exist. You "came about" because I imagined you.
This thread, this forum, the internet, my computer is all just in my imagination and any further response will just pop up as I imagine them.
And don't ask where I came from, my body and physical existence is also just my imagination -- the real me (doing all this imagination) might be some pure-energy non-corporal existence or I could just be some simulation software, an experiment of some other entity.

[Savage]

Ideas need influence, which means your thoughts, if coming from a pure entity, are from something else. So, I ask, where did your pure form come from since that actually exists?

[Zso_Zso]

I did not say my pure form actually exists, I was making hypothetical statements: "the real me might be some pure-energy non-corporal existence or I could just be some simulation software".  In fact, I really do not know, since I imagine the world in this material form, governed by physical laws as well as I imagine the vast majority of the imagined people to believe it to have been created by some kind of deity.