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Re: "Life is not fair. Deal with it." https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25722.msg345177#msg345177
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2011, 12:28:15 am »
You've got to pick your battles.  If you try to correct every inequity you see, you're gonna be too exhausted when the big one comes around.

"Suck it up and deal with it" is a reasonable approach much of the time.  But when faced with a serious inequality you have to actually deal with it.  I guess the trick is figuring out which is which, when to rage and when to chill.

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Re: "Life is not fair. Deal with it." https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25722.msg1020281#msg1020281
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2012, 06:23:11 am »
You get raped and have a baby, can you honestly say you have a right to make life fair by killing the baby. Let's just say for the sake of argument the baby is proved human, what gives you the right to murder so life can be fair?

You get raped=another hurdle in life...get over it. To remove a hurdle during a race=cheating and there are consequences for that (go track people). :P
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Re: "Life is not fair. Deal with it." https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25722.msg1020295#msg1020295
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2012, 07:57:21 am »
^I think the above should be discussed into another topic.
About life, it is not fair for sure, but it is also not as unfair as most people think.
A person may be more or less charismatic, but if talents are not further trained, that charismatic person will end up less skilled than a regular one.
A person who is poor may become rich one day, if he/she really tries hard. Problem here is, are you evil enough to step onto dead bodies and perform any kind of criminal activities in order to become rich as fast as possible?
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Re: "Life is not fair. Deal with it." https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25722.msg1020304#msg1020304
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2012, 08:28:20 am »
What, no 'holy necro' post?  I am disappoint, ARTHANASIOS.  :P
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Re: "Life is not fair. Deal with it." https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25722.msg1020307#msg1020307
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2012, 08:46:28 am »
What, no 'holy necro' post?  I am disappoint, ARTHANASIOS.  :P

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Re: "Life is not fair. Deal with it." https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25722.msg1020610#msg1020610
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2012, 10:31:09 am »
To me, the concept of fairness seems worthless. In what sense are two people comparable? All people are different. If I am to make a choice, how can I determine what is the fair choice? What factors do I admit in this decision?

For example: suppose I have to choose whether to give a job to candidate A or B. Candidate A is white and poor. Candidate B is black and already has an offer. Candidate B is slightly more qualified for the position that candidate A. I could offer the job to B because he is more qualified, and that is arguably fair. I could offer the job to candidate A because he needs it more, and that is arguably fair. I could offer the job to candidate B because black people have been oppressed, and deserve affirmative action, and that is arguably fair. I don't actually agree with any of these arguments; I am pointing out that there are more choices about how to define "fairness" than there are actual choices, and that any particular definition of fairness contradicts the others. Ultimately, I have to make a choice about whom to hire, and the concept of fairness seems to only confuse the issue.

Let's suppose I offer the job to candidate A. I believe I have made that decision on the grounds that poor people have been oppressed by the wealthy and deserve affirmative action. Candidate B tells me that I have been unfair since I offered the job to a less qualified individual. How can I (or anyone else) decide whether my fairness is the correct fairness? Isn't fairness just a euphemism for power? Can candidate B control my decision by convincing me that it was unfair? Why should candidate B (or even society at large) make that decision? Am I not the person who has been charged to make the hire? Shouldn't I pick the candidate who is the best fit for the position, employing all the resources of my holistic intuition instead of blindly following a general prescription made in ignorance of the particulars?

In my analysis, depriving anyone of the opportunity to make a choice is a greater moral failing than an unfair choice. People need to make choices so that they can experience making good choices and bad choices. Only choices can have moral value, while following rules and orders is always amoral (without any moral quality). The right to make bad choices is more important than fairness.

Just to add one more example, let's apply this reasoning to OP's original example. The rules of the competition were clear. OP missed the deadline. Would it be fair to break the rules? Would it be fair to the other contestants who conservatively submitted their entries early to avoid any chance of missing the deadline? Would it be fair to ignore a clearly superior entry for the sake of following rules? Would it be fair to ignore a superior entry which took advantage of time that none of the other contestants who successfully submitted entries had available to them? Would it be fair to ignore an entry purely because of the possibility that the contestant could have worked on it after the deadline (the only way to be sure is to receive the submission before the deadline)? If the processing of the entries was automated, would it be fair to ignore an entry purely because it would be unfair to those running the contest to have to go to more trouble for a contestant?

In my opinion, all of these questions could be argued either way. Fairness only complicates the choice, which is whether to accept the submission or not. In my opinion, that choice belongs purely to the organizer. He should make the choice based on his aesthetic choice. Which would make a better contest (or a better world), one where he accepts the submission, or one where he rejects it? The contestant claiming that fairness requires the submission to be accepted is at best noise, and at worst harmful misdirection from the truth, which is that the choice is clearly in the hands of the organizer. The contestant has plenty of choices: whether to enter the contest at all, whether to complain about the server error, whether to accept the decision of the organizer peacefully, whether to enter future contests by the same organizer. All of his choices should be made in the same way, and fairness plays no part in any of it.
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Re: "Life is not fair. Deal with it." https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25722.msg1021802#msg1021802
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2012, 09:58:00 pm »
This phrase ...bothers me.
Is life not fair because it follows specific rules to which everyone must follow? Is it not fair because no one makes it fair?Or Is it not fair because some people WANT it to be unfair?
In one part of the world, a person enjoys life, has friends, family and wealth. In another, sickness, cruelty and despair persist for all lifetime.
I have observed and experienced different states. From what I gathered, life picks its champions and weeds out the weak.
The fact that life stays imperfect means no one wants it changed. You'd think we'd have gotten rid of most problems already. But nope, one's opinion opposes another. Life will never be fair as long as no one is the same.
As for someone saying "Life isn't fair." their life is either at the top or rock bottom.
To sum this thing up, a percentage of humanity will want things for themselves , and utter the phrase to gain an advantage. Nobody wants to be on the receiving end of disaster, and desperation will continue to consume.
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Re: "Life is not fair. Deal with it." https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25722.msg1021824#msg1021824
« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2012, 12:03:07 am »
I collect a lot of silly sayings and quotes in my head, and what is possibly one of my all time favourites is this one.  I cannot remember the exact source; I know it was from some movie that I found once years ago flipping channels.  (paraphrasing slightly, but the basic idea is there)

"I take great comfort in the fact that life is not fair, because if life WERE fair, it would mean that every crappy thing that has ever happened to you, you deserved it."

Think about that for a minute... :p

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Re: "Life is not fair. Deal with it." https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25722.msg1021832#msg1021832
« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2012, 12:24:15 am »
"Life is not fair. But we have to try to make it fair. And the only way to make it fair is if -you- believe you can make it fair."

I have no idea where I read that, but I did, and it made me stop and think for a while.

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Re: "Life is not fair. Deal with it." https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25722.msg1021835#msg1021835
« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2012, 12:30:46 am »
I collect a lot of silly sayings and quotes in my head, and what is possibly one of my all time favourites is this one.  I cannot remember the exact source; I know it was from some movie that I found once years ago flipping channels.  (paraphrasing slightly, but the basic idea is there)

"I take great comfort in the fact that life is not fair, because if life WERE fair, it would mean that every crappy thing that has ever happened to you, you deserved it."

Think about that for a minute... :p
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Re: "Life is not fair. Deal with it." https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25722.msg1021838#msg1021838
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2012, 12:39:20 am »
Life is not fair: Life does not have equality of outcome.
Deal with it: We need to recognize this fact and continue living. (Rather than sit down, stop living and complain about the actions of a non sentient force)
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Re: "Life is not fair. Deal with it." https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25722.msg1021840#msg1021840
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2012, 12:40:24 am »
The random factor is the sauce in life, a concept very absolutist but it's nothing that the true.
Life is not ordered, living it's about trying to adjuste things the way you want them to be and not about having certainties, wich dosen't even makes sense if you think about that for a minute.
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