is abortion correct when it saves the mother?

[northcity4]

#2 needs some re work. Permissiblity and praiseworthiness have no connection. I honestly don't care how looked down upon the option to not have the abortion is. If it is immoral, it is immoral. This is Kant's view and I very much agree with him.

#1 I did re read his post and we seem to mistake the term 'morally praiseworthy.' Kant does not say that if something is morally praiseworthy that it is moral at the same time, although it is implied since Kant argues the only way to morally give praise is if the motives for one's actions was purely moral.

Abortion as I have argued is murder. Please, keep the political aspect, including medical/bio/economical ethics out of this. Philosophers agree these only taint the truth that: morality exists outside these arguments. What priest has been posting has more to do with abortion being legal, not moral.

Assuming the fetus to be human, abortion is murder. If you guys don't agree, then check my logical format.

Now, lastly: please be careful using the term 'incorrect.' I am just going to reply to the second part of #2: as we stated earlier: the idea of taking a pill that has N% chance of killing. This would fit the scenario of something that is permissible and possible has a higher praiseworthy notion.

Notes: Morally praiseworthy: applied to outside morality and is defined by politics/economics/bio ethics. Moral permissibility: more like amendments to mistaken morals. (stealing is wrong...but not always since it is permissible sometimes).

[OldTrees]

#2 needs some re work. Permissiblity and praiseworthiness have no connection. I honestly don't care how looked down upon the option to not have the abortion is.

Then you misread. Morally Praiseworthy, like Morally Permissible, has no connection to public opinion. Morally Praiseworthy mean Moral to or beyond the point that it ought to be praised. Supererogatory or the modern usage of Virtuous might be more familiar terms.

Notes: Actions fall into 3 camps on a continuum as a result of two overlapping bands (the permissible band and the not praiseworthy band)
Morally Impermissible and not Morally Praiseworthy
Morally Permissible but not Morally Praiseworthy
Morally Permissible and Morally Praiseworthy

[northcity4]

Kant's argument is that the moral praiseworthiness of something is going to depend outside of morality, but claims it is only worth praising if intentions/motives were moral.

If intentions/motives are moral, it is easy to mistake a big problem Kant saw: I am getting an abortion so my family can keep me to take care of it. In Kant's view, this goes against his donor example (killing one to save many).

He gives an alternative view: I am going to get an abortion to save my family...at the cost of a human life. Because of this, abortion cannot be deemed praiseworthy correctly in Kant's view, although outside of morality, that is not the case.

I still fail to realize, given what I have shown, how this takes my argument of abortion being murder and arguing against it. I don't feel like it is getting us anywhere.
Basically, I feel like you guys are trying to show when abortion is praiseworthy...but Kant says that will not happen in philosophy until you can show abortion is morally permissible in the first case, if there is any case which I say there is not.

[OldTrees]

I still fail to realize, given what I have shown, how this takes my argument of abortion being murder and arguing against it. I don't feel like it is getting us anywhere.
Basically, I feel like you guys are trying to show when abortion is praiseworthy...but Kant says that will not happen in philosophy until you can show abortion is morally permissible in the first case, if there is any case which I say there is not.

1) Blue Priest decided to post his opinion about a thread in that thread. Not everything involves you or your argument.
2) Nobody claimed abortion could be Morally Praiseworthy. In fact the opening to Blue Priest's post was about how it could not be Morally Praiseworthy.

I don't know how to word this but perhaps you should examine why this miscommunication happened. You seem to frequently get caught up trying to prove a fiction wrong rather than address what was said.

[northcity4]

From my readings of it: there are misconceptions in what he stated as fact which I tried to point that out and simply wanted to make that clear.

The other issue is: there really is not a point in posting an opinion here. I hate it when that happens, especially for a topic like this because...it gets us no where. We need a argument to continue and took it as such.

No fun in just reading someone's opinion. Priest said there are other factors to consider and I said there are not for reasons a,b,c. Still not understanding the fiction part.

[OldTrees]

Still not understanding the fiction part.

Our short conversation here was me explaining his post and my explanation of his post to you since you had a few misconceptions about what was said. You leap to arguing against what you perceived was said rather than find out what was said.

Example:

Basically, I feel like you guys are trying to show when abortion is praiseworthy

Nobody claimed abortion could be Morally Praiseworthy. In fact the opening to Blue Priest's post was about how it could not be Morally Praiseworthy.

[northcity4]

True...my bad.

[Savage]

I just got done reading most of the posts (there were a lot).

I have a question: what about the morality of women trying to do an abortion, but not really? (that makes sense right? I doubt it  )

Here is an example: suppose you are pregnant and you decide to drink a bunch even though you know it could harm the baby. Now, also, what if there is like, say, a 90% chance that drinking 'this much' is still safe for the baby. If the women gets her baby killed, even though 90% is pretty high, from drinking, can she say 'I had a high enough chance and thought it was safe' or would we just call her irresponsible for not taking a safer route, like drinking less?

It kind of goes off that medication example: except in the medication example you are trying to say the most amount of people.