is abortion correct when it saves the mother?

[OldTrees]

Maybe my understanding of sentient is off, could some1 post their version for me please?

 Also, I do ask: does truth play a matter in this? Lets take murder for instance: my professor said to look at it this way: pretend there was no way of proving something is morally wrong. You have 2 kingdoms: one allows murder, the other does not. The kingdom that does not allow it thrives and the other comes to ruins. I am not saying murder is wrong, but the truth of the matter is that one kingdom survived and one did not.

I am sure we all agree here that if you are not thriving is a bad thing. So, based on observations...can we see if something is wrong? Abortion: ive researched and stats show 75-80% of all women later in life regret abortion---> regardless of the circumstances of the time. If, if this statistic is true, how would this play a role?

-sorry for not answering previous posts: wanted to keep us back on track.

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Consider this:
You have 2 kingdoms: one allows murder, the other does not. The kingdom that does allow it thrives and the other comes to ruins.
I am sure we all agree here that if you are not thriving is a bad thing. But this does not imply it is the worse case of the two cases.

[russianspy1234]

Abortion: ive researched and stats show 75-80% of all women later in life regret abortion---> regardless of the circumstances of the time. If, if this statistic is true, how would this play a role?

75-80% of people regret eating spicy food the next time they go to the bathroom, so no, I would not say it plays a role (and that's assuming I believe the statistic at all.)

[kimham8a]

Women should make their own decisions about their babies, not policy-makers. For a rape baby, how would you feel raising the child of your rapist? And seeing the rapist's face in your child would, I would think, conflict with your love for the child.

Abortion: ive researched and stats show 75-80% of all women later in life regret abortion---> regardless of the circumstances of the time. If, if this statistic is true, how would this play a role?

75-80% of people regret eating spicy food the next time they go to the bathroom, so no, I would not say it plays a role (and that's assuming I believe the statistic at all.)

The statistic IMO simply suggests that there is a large group of women for each side of the argument of abortion morality.

[russianspy1234]

Women should make their own decisions about their babies, not policy-makers. For a rape baby, how would you feel raising the child of your rapist? And seeing the rapist's face in your child would, I would think, conflict with your love for the child.

Abortion: ive researched and stats show 75-80% of all women later in life regret abortion---> regardless of the circumstances of the time. If, if this statistic is true, how would this play a role?

75-80% of people regret eating spicy food the next time they go to the bathroom, so no, I would not say it plays a role (and that's assuming I believe the statistic at all.)

The statistic IMO simply suggests that there is a large group of women for each side of the argument of abortion morality.

I regret majoring in computer science in college. doesn't mean it was morally wrong to do so.

[kimham8a]

Women should make their own decisions about their babies, not policy-makers. For a rape baby, how would you feel raising the child of your rapist? And seeing the rapist's face in your child would, I would think, conflict with your love for the child.

Abortion: ive researched and stats show 75-80% of all women later in life regret abortion---> regardless of the circumstances of the time. If, if this statistic is true, how would this play a role?

75-80% of people regret eating spicy food the next time they go to the bathroom, so no, I would not say it plays a role (and that's assuming I believe the statistic at all.)

The statistic IMO simply suggests that there is a large group of women for each side of the argument of abortion morality.

I regret majoring in computer science in college. doesn't mean it was morally wrong to do so.

Ah, the frivolity factor! You win. (btw dont look it up there's no such thing) 

Edit: The people who aborted and regretted it are probably more inclined to believe it was morally wrong and vice versa. If that's true, than there are many people on each side.

[mrezman]

By asking this, it seems that you are implying that an abortion is not usually okay.

[kimham8a]

By asking this, it seems that you are implying that an abortion is not usually okay.

Yeah that's what I thought too, but that's actually what he means. He DOES think abortion is usually wrong. Not sure why, though. Maybe people think embryo can feel pain? Or that abortion is murder (of course, it is, but of something with less sentience than a cow, which we butcher much more cruelly each day)?

I tried asking why, but no one would answer.
Edit: I knew I shouldn't have posted just a little then edited it. Now Kamietsu didn't quote the full post.

[Kamietsu]

By asking this, it seems that you are implying that an abortion is not usually okay.

Yeah that's what I thought too, but that's actually what he means. He DOES think abortion is usually wrong. Not sure why, though. Maybe people think embryo can feel pain?

Because most people who think abortion is wrong believe that abortion effectively the same as murder. You are robbing it of a chance to live, to become someone. This also goes into about when does it actually become alive?

Regardless, I think it's up to the mother, if she can make a decision to chose to save the baby or save her own live if having the child would kill her. If not then it is up to the next person who can decide such a decision for them to decide. There is no 'correct' since it is all a gray area(for me at least). some see it plainly as black and white, yes or no. I don't and everyone has different thoughts of what will effect their ultimate decision.

I, however, only think abortion is wrong when it is used as a means of birthcontrol. If you mess up and get pregnant, tough. Put it up for adoption, raise it the best you can, something. But you willingly had sex unprotected, you live with the consequences.

If you didn't have sex willingly, rape, then it is up to the mother. It's her choice whether she wants to raise it or abort it or put it up for adoption, whatever. To hell with the rapist, he has no rights in relation to what the mother chooses. That's like a murderer being able to decide everything about his victims funeral. It's stupid.

Also if the pregnancy has serious health complications then the mother can choose to abort or not. it's her choice whether to do her best and push through the pregnancy, despite the possibility of death or serious injury or problems, or abort it and either try again or opt to adopt/have a surrogate mother.

[mrezman]

I think the main core, or essential thing about this argument, is that if the fetus in a mother is a human or not and if getting an abortion is murder.

But let's assume that a fetus is a person, and that getting an abortion is an equivalent of LETTING DIE, NOT MURDER. I would argue that getting an abortion is letting die, because you never asked for him. It's not murder. It's very different.

There was an analogy I saw in some paper. I'll share it with you.

Imagine that you wake up one day to find yourself in a hospital hooked up to a famous violinist. The violinist is a very famous musician but has a very bad disease. He needed to share kidneys of a certain blood type, and you were the only one that had it. So his fan club decided for his sake to kidnap you and hook you up with him. Your kidneys are constantly being used by both him and you. You can not move around. Now, you have two choices. Either, you stay there, be a good person and let him use your Kidneys. He'll be better after a few months; after that you can go. But what if he still needs your kidneys? After a few years, you can move around, but he constantly has to be around with you. Sharing your kidneys. You never asked for this; you were just being kind.

OR!!! You don't want to stay there for a whole few months just so this random person's life can be saved. You decide to just unhook yourself and be free for the next few months and beyond. After all, YOU NEVER ASKED FOR THIS.

[mrezman]

Of course, there are different kinds of pregnancies. I will state my opinions if a woman should be able to get an abortion by how they got pregnant.

By rape: DEFINITELY should be able to get abortion
By using protection but it didn't work: Should be able to get abortion
By careless sex: still should, but not as certain as before
By wanting to have a baby, but changing mind later: Hmm... still should, but I'm wavering here.

[kimham8a]

I think the main core, or essential thing about this argument, is that if the fetus in a mother is a human or not and if getting an abortion is murder.

But let's assume that a fetus is a person, and that getting an abortion is an equivalent of LETTING DIE, NOT MURDER. I would argue that getting an abortion is letting die, because you never asked for him. It's not murder. It's very different.

There was an analogy I saw in some paper. I'll share it with you.

Imagine that you wake up one day to find yourself in a hospital hooked up to a famous violinist. The violinist is a very famous musician but has a very bad disease. He needed to share kidneys of a certain blood type, and you were the only one that had it. So his fan club decided for his sake to kidnap you and hook you up with him. Your kidneys are constantly being used by both him and you. You can not move around. Now, you have two choices. Either, you stay there, be a good person and let him use your Kidneys. He'll be better after a few months; after that you can go. But what if he still needs your kidneys? After a few years, you can move around, but he constantly has to be around with you. Sharing your kidneys. You never asked for this; you were just being kind.

OR!!! You don't want to stay there for a whole few months just so this random person's life can be saved. You decide to just unhook yourself and be free for the next few months and beyond. After all, YOU NEVER ASKED FOR THIS.

I think you should keep the person alive. Even if you didn't ask for it, it's not like he did either. If the situation were reversed, would you want to die?
But I mostly agree with your conclusion. Women should be allowed to abort in all cases. It's like killing a mouse (which isn't right, but better than forcing a kid to have a mother that doesn't want him).

[russianspy1234]

I think the main core, or essential thing about this argument, is that if the fetus in a mother is a human or not and if getting an abortion is murder.

But let's assume that a fetus is a person, and that getting an abortion is an equivalent of LETTING DIE, NOT MURDER. I would argue that getting an abortion is letting die, because you never asked for him. It's not murder. It's very different.

There was an analogy I saw in some paper. I'll share it with you.

Imagine that you wake up one day to find yourself in a hospital hooked up to a famous violinist. The violinist is a very famous musician but has a very bad disease. He needed to share kidneys of a certain blood type, and you were the only one that had it. So his fan club decided for his sake to kidnap you and hook you up with him. Your kidneys are constantly being used by both him and you. You can not move around. Now, you have two choices. Either, you stay there, be a good person and let him use your Kidneys. He'll be better after a few months; after that you can go. But what if he still needs your kidneys? After a few years, you can move around, but he constantly has to be around with you. Sharing your kidneys. You never asked for this; you were just being kind.

OR!!! You don't want to stay there for a whole few months just so this random person's life can be saved. You decide to just unhook yourself and be free for the next few months and beyond. After all, YOU NEVER ASKED FOR THIS.

I think you should keep the person alive. Even if you didn't ask for it, it's not like he did either. If the situation were reversed, would you want to die?
But I mostly agree with your conclusion. Women should be allowed to abort in all cases. It's like killing a mouse (which isn't right, but better than forcing a kid to have a mother that doesn't want him.

its a far jump from "should" to "must"