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Re: Happiness + Religion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48958.msg1137224#msg1137224
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2014, 04:18:59 pm »
Interesting discussion, following.

I could also make a large post about this, but this time i summarize it instead.

Being an atheist I fell like life is so important and that I want to live it to the fully. I feel no pressure in doing things and I'm more free to do whatever I'd like to.

I can't see this from a religious perspective since I've never been religious, but I think that all in all atheism grants you much more happiness than the top religions ever can.

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Re: Happiness + Religion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48958.msg1137226#msg1137226
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2014, 04:24:41 pm »
Quote from: Blacksmith on May 21, 2014, 04:18:59 pm
Interesting discussion, following.

I could also make a large post about this, but this time i summarize it instead.

Being an atheist I fell like life is so important and that I want to live it to the fully. I feel no pressure in doing things and I'm more free to do whatever I'd like to.

I can't see this from a religious perspective since I've never been religious, but I think that all in all atheism grants you much more happiness than the top religions ever can.

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The reduced pressure is not universal among atheists. Any atheist that believes in an Objective Moral Theory will face the same kind of pressure. Any atheist that believes in Objective Morality but does not in any particular Objective Moral Theory will feel much more pressure than a Theist.
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Re: Happiness + Religion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48958.msg1137236#msg1137236
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2014, 04:47:45 pm »
Quote from: OldTrees on May 21, 2014, 04:24:41 pm
Quote from: Blacksmith on May 21, 2014, 04:18:59 pm
Interesting discussion, following.

I could also make a large post about this, but this time i summarize it instead.

Being an atheist I fell like life is so important and that I want to live it to the fully. I feel no pressure in doing things and I'm more free to do whatever I'd like to.

I can't see this from a religious perspective since I've never been religious, but I think that all in all atheism grants you much more happiness than the top religions ever can.

Blacks

The reduced pressure is not universal among atheists. Any atheist that believes in an Objective Moral Theory will face the same kind of pressure. Any atheist that believes in Objective Morality but does not in any particular Objective Moral Theory will feel much more pressure than a Theist.
True good point.

And yeah general happiness has very many factors where religion/atheism plays different roles, often small ones compared to thing like self confidence and stable life style.
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Re: Happiness + Religion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48958.msg1137253#msg1137253
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2014, 06:14:56 pm »
From http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-3.htm

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Young's Literal Translation
'Happy the poor in spirit -- because theirs is the reign of the heavens."

1. The poor in spirit are happy. These bring their minds to their condition, when it is a low condition.
2. Those that mourn are happy.
3. The meek are happy.
4. Those who hunger and thirst after righteousness are happy.
5. The merciful are happy.
6. The pure in heart are happy; for they shall see God.
7. The peace-makers are happy.
8. Those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake are happy.

So, based on the Bible, the religious should be happy.
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Re: Happiness + Religion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48958.msg1137377#msg1137377
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2014, 03:35:00 pm »
Quote from: OldTrees on May 21, 2014, 03:58:24 pm
Quote from: Monox D. I-Fly on May 21, 2014, 02:59:48 pm
I was a pro-religion, until I'm finally able to view things more objectively.
Warning: Such a statement is also said by a large number of young adults that just changed from Theists to Atheists. The group I am referencing (http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism as an example) tends to be more objective EXCEPT with regards to judging Theism.

Only you(and people that know you personally) would know if this warning is relevant to you or not.

It's relevant.
In fact, if only the consequence of quitting my religion is not death sentence, I would have been converted to atheist immediately.
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Re: Happiness + Religion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48958.msg1137395#msg1137395
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2014, 05:47:27 pm »
Quote from: Monox D. I-Fly on May 22, 2014, 03:35:00 pm
Quote from: OldTrees on May 21, 2014, 03:58:24 pm
Quote from: Monox D. I-Fly on May 21, 2014, 02:59:48 pm
I was a pro-religion, until I'm finally able to view things more objectively.
Warning: Such a statement is also said by a large number of young adults that just changed from Theists to Atheists. The group I am referencing (http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism as an example) tends to be more objective EXCEPT with regards to judging Theism.

Only you(and people that know you personally) would know if this warning is relevant to you or not.

It's relevant.
In fact, if only the consequence of quitting my religion is not death sentence, I would have been converted to atheist immediately.
Yeah. A severe enough valid criticism against an instance of something does tend to bias one against all instances of that something.
Not all religions or even all of that religion act like that(the valid criticism). The parts of religions that do act like that are deplorable.
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