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Re: Everyone can delete exactly one person https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40056.msg505437#msg505437
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2012, 02:37:00 pm »
What would happen if i went back in history and deleted to Eve???
Who?

More seriously, eve is NOT history.
Geneticists do believe they found a "most recent matriarchal common ancestor"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

There is also a "most recent paternal common ancestor"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam

they lived thousands of years apart

However she/he was not the only female/male of our species. If they were killed via time travel, the lineages and even people would change but the human species would still exist (probably with a different MRCA).
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Re: Everyone can delete exactly one person https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40056.msg505473#msg505473
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2012, 04:48:54 pm »
What would happen if i went back in history and deleted to Eve???
Who?

More seriously, eve is NOT history.

Even if the Bible's Eve didn't exist, there was logically most likely still a living being on earth, at some point, that could be classified as the first female modern human.

Interpreting it as such, I think destroying her would have a more drastic affect than destroying the Mitochondrial Eve linked in OldTrees' post, as modern humans would not really have existed yet. I don't know relatively how much, though.
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Re: Everyone can delete exactly one person https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40056.msg505476#msg505476
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2012, 05:02:16 pm »
What would happen if i went back in history and deleted to Eve???
Who?

More seriously, eve is NOT history.

Even if the Bible's Eve didn't exist, there was logically most likely still a living being on earth, at some point, that could be classified as the first female modern human.

Interpreting it as such, I think destroying her would have a more drastic affect than destroying the Mitochondrial Eve linked in OldTrees' post, as modern humans would not really have existed yet. I don't know relatively how much, though.
Speciation is rarely sudden (excluding separation). The human race would probably have 1 mutation (relative to the current) as a result. That mutation might have accumulated additional mutations as a result of different relative reproductive success ratios.
Aka: We might still be furry
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Re: Everyone can delete exactly one person https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40056.msg505774#msg505774
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2012, 01:35:33 pm »
If the bible is written in the past, whats written in it its history

(and i meant eve in Adam and Eve)
Lord of the ring was written in the past but its content is not HISTORY. It is FICTION. That is exactly the same for the BIBLE.

Even if the Bible's Eve didn't exist, there was logically most likely still a living being on earth, at some point, that could be classified as the first female modern human.
Highly unlikely - see OT comments
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Re: Everyone can delete exactly one person https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40056.msg505801#msg505801
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2012, 02:59:07 pm »
Even if the Bible's Eve didn't exist, there was logically most likely still a living being on earth, at some point, that could be classified as the first female modern human.
Highly unlikely - see OT comments

He didn't counter that part of my post, no. Not that I see.
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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2012, 03:16:14 pm »
Speciation is rarely sudden.
I.e. the missing link or your "pseudo eve" is not one "person" but a whole generation of people. So you cannot delete the entire specie by deleting one individual.

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Re: Everyone can delete exactly one person https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40056.msg505817#msg505817
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2012, 03:29:06 pm »
If the bible is written in the past, whats written in it its history

(and i meant eve in Adam and Eve)
Lord of the ring was written in the past but its content is not HISTORY. It is FICTION. That is exactly the same for the BIBLE.




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Re: Everyone can delete exactly one person https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40056.msg505823#msg505823
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2012, 03:44:43 pm »
Trust me, it is, i've been to Mordor when i was little
If you want to remove the human race from earth, it might then be as efficient to delete Gandalf or Frodo as to delete Eve. The result would then be way funier. Sauron FTW!

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Re: Everyone can delete exactly one person https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40056.msg505830#msg505830
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2012, 04:02:00 pm »
Speciation is rarely sudden.
I.e. the missing link or your "pseudo eve" is not one "person" but a whole generation of people. So you cannot delete the entire specie by deleting one individual.
Yes

The individual mutations that contributed to speciation in the case of humans were likely spread out across many individuals over many generations.

There was likely a point when there were few people (or even 1 person) that had a phenome we would call human. However by then, the genes that caused that phenome would have already existed in many prehumans in the population.
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« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2012, 04:46:38 pm »
It would be a good point of having the ability then: one would realise the the bible is as much a fiction as LOTR.

edit: even if it is clear that LOTR is way more enthralling than the bible.
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Re: Everyone can delete exactly one person https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40056.msg505852#msg505852
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2012, 04:58:30 pm »
It would be a good point of having the ability then: one would realise the the bible is as much a fiction as LOTR.

edit: even if it is clear that LOTR is way more enthralling than the bible.

That, or the ever-present possibility of instant death would make people cling even more tightly to ideas of an afterlife.

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Re: Everyone can delete exactly one person https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40056.msg505912#msg505912
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2012, 08:06:19 pm »
Speciation is rarely sudden.
I.e. the missing link or your "pseudo eve" is not one "person" but a whole generation of people. So you cannot delete the entire specie by deleting one individual.

Which I never said, or even implied.

There was likely a point when there were few people (or even 1 person) that had a phenome we would call human. However by then, the genes that caused that phenome would have already existed in many prehumans in the population.

This is what I mean. If this organism is deleted, or even those few organisms are deleted by multiple people, modern humans would not have that/those organism(s) in lineages, so other prehumans would become the first true beings we could consider 'modern humans'.
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