Could god make a rock so large...

[OldTrees]

I still don't understand how you are going to discredit God's all-omni due to the fact that we can't understand his word perfectly. Again, even perfect clarity could be misinterpreted. Can you give me an example of perfect clarity?

As for pastors/scholars...a lot do have differing opinions, but almost all agree on certain matters to certain boundaries. In other words, there is a general consensus on many things in the bible.

Something has perfect clarity if and only if there is 1 and only 1 interpretation. It cannot be misinterpreted for any misinterpretations would be additional interpretations and it has only 1 interpretation.

[northcity4]

Can you please give an example?

Again, it's also debatable if God could have perfect clarity. Just like asking could God go above morals? No simple yes or no for someone to see. Maybe perfect clarity isn't a requirement for all omni, but I see that you are arguing it is.

[OldTrees]

Can you please give an example?

Again, it's also debatable if God could have perfect clarity. Just like asking could God go above morals? No simple yes or no for someone to see. Maybe perfect clarity isn't a requirement for all omni, but I see that you are arguing it is.

It is hard to give an example because I am not omnipotent. Below is my best attempt at approximating perfect clarity despite this handicap.
"If true, then true."

If perfect clarity is possible then all omnipotent being must be capable of perfect clarity.

[northcity4]

Let me ask this, would you discredit the all omni of God based PURELY off the reason he couldn't do perfect clarity where perfect clarity exists? I understand it is possible perfect clarity is debatable even to the point of if it's possible to make something that clear to humans as 'sinful' as we are (I used the word sinful since this does involve religion, again not here to debate on that).

[OldTrees]

Let me ask this, would you discredit the all omni of God based PURELY off the reason he couldn't do perfect clarity where perfect clarity exists? I understand it is possible perfect clarity is debatable even to the point of if it's possible to make something that clear to humans as 'sinful' as we are (I used the word sinful since this does involve religion, again not here to debate on that).

No. Merely omnipotence which requires the being be able to do all that is possible to do. If perfect clarity is possible and god cannot create messages with perfect clarity then god is not omnipotent.

[northcity4]

Let me ask this, would you discredit the all omni of God based PURELY off the reason he couldn't do perfect clarity where perfect clarity exists? I understand it is possible perfect clarity is debatable even to the point of if it's possible to make something that clear to humans as 'sinful' as we are (I used the word sinful since this does involve religion, again not here to debate on that).

No. Merely omnipotence which requires the being be able to do all that is possible to do. If perfect clarity is possible and god cannot create messages with perfect clarity then god is not omnipotent.

Aside from perfect clarity, what else do you suggest would affect God's all-omni? No offense, but I don't see where else to with the clarity other than argue about it. Or is this even worth talking about and we should leave this thread?

[OldTrees]

Let me ask this, would you discredit the all omni of God based PURELY off the reason he couldn't do perfect clarity where perfect clarity exists? I understand it is possible perfect clarity is debatable even to the point of if it's possible to make something that clear to humans as 'sinful' as we are (I used the word sinful since this does involve religion, again not here to debate on that).

No. Merely omnipotence which requires the being be able to do all that is possible to do. If perfect clarity is possible and god cannot create messages with perfect clarity then god is not omnipotent.

Aside from perfect clarity, what else do you suggest would affect God's all-omni? No offense, but I don't see where else to with the clarity other than argue about it. Or is this even worth talking about and we should leave this thread?

The Problem of Evil is something I find convincing. However I have talked about that to death.
The paradox between faith and evidence is another thing I find hard to believe of an all-omni god.

However if the clarity issue did not convince you that using the Christian God is a strawman when discussing omnipotence then I do not think I will be able to convince you.

[northcity4]

Let me ask this, would you discredit the all omni of God based PURELY off the reason he couldn't do perfect clarity where perfect clarity exists? I understand it is possible perfect clarity is debatable even to the point of if it's possible to make something that clear to humans as 'sinful' as we are (I used the word sinful since this does involve religion, again not here to debate on that).

No. Merely omnipotence which requires the being be able to do all that is possible to do. If perfect clarity is possible and god cannot create messages with perfect clarity then god is not omnipotent.

Aside from perfect clarity, what else do you suggest would affect God's all-omni? No offense, but I don't see where else to with the clarity other than argue about it. Or is this even worth talking about and we should leave this thread?

The Problem of Evil is something I find convincing. However I have talked about that to death.
The paradox between faith and evidence is another thing I find hard to believe of an all-omni god.

However if the clarity issue did not convince you that using the Christian God is a strawman when discussing omnipotence then I do not think I will be able to convince you.

Paradox between faith and evidence? You are introducing a whole new subject here just to let you know. I would be glad to show you what philosophers have come up with for this reason in a pm.

I think you should continue trying to show me reasons God cannot be omni. I would still like to hear...it's just that the clarity issue is one matter and something I would rather let a philosopher study. There must be other things you had to argue regarding God's omni right?

[cometbah]

The usual definition of God is that It is the Set of all Sets ('all-omni', as you put it).

The Set of all Sets does not exist.

[nerd1]

to begin with, lets assume that, by definition,, God is omnipotent. this would give him the ability to aquire omniscience. Because God is omnipotend, then he could also create a defition of good and define it to be self-consistent, whether or not our logic would view it as consistent. As God created the definition for good, he could conform to it without any contradictions, allowing him to be omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient at the same time.
I believe this would allow god to be all-omni, no?

[northcity4]

The usual definition of God is that It is the Set of all Sets ('all-omni', as you put it).

The Set of all Sets does not exist.

Problem: straw man fallacy. I don't think you can turn God into the set of all set's based on that page. You are going to need to use something a little more persuasive before I'll consider talking about that.

[northcity4]

to begin with, lets assume that, by definition,, God is omnipotent. this would give him the ability to aquire omniscience. Because God is omnipotend, then he could also create a defition of good and define it to be self-consistent, whether or not our logic would view it as consistent. As God created the definition for good, he could conform to it without any contradictions, allowing him to be omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient at the same time.
I believe this would allow god to be all-omni, no?

Also, what if God is stopping us from understanding it? That is also another problem.