The Jewish/Christian/Muslim god is terrible example of omnipotence unless omnipotence is only used as a hyperbolic exaggeration or religious propaganda (the original usage).
Thanks for the original context though.
That's debatable. If we are going to say God ca't make people love him because that is insincere is to say morals/sincerity existed before God or exist with God. They could be something different which is why people still today ask: (example): is murder wrong cause God said so? Is it wrong cause God would appreciate it if you didn't? Wrong because doing murder means there is a deeper issue at part? The real question I am looking at is: is murder wrong because it has always been that way and God is just an enforcer. Again that's a debate for origin of morals.
Staying on topic: to say God can make something so big he can't life it is to say God is not the most powerful thing in the universe. Human's can build buildings, but cannot lift them.
The mathematical problem with infinity is that there is a way to cancel out infinity. Let's assume you have infinity/infinity=improper form. To fix this you take the derivative of the top and bottoms equation.
Example: pretend God is the top and rock=bottom. example 1) x^2/x. As x->infinity, you get the 00/00. Taking the derivatives, our new equation is 2x/1. The top is clearly increasing fast and if we take another limit we get 00/1. To be more specific you can take a second derivative and get an answer of 2, and since 2>1, God wins.
If we say x/x+1, we get stuck with 1, and 1=1 which means both are equal.
Is there a mathematical equation we can give God and give the rock?
An omnipotent god can make a message that is perfectly clear. A perfectly clear message has 1 and only 1 interpretation. The holy writings of the Jewish/Christian/Muslim god are not perfectly clear. Therefore the Jewish/Christian/Muslim is not omnipotent.
The particular rock example can be solved by examining the general case. Assuming polynomials
limit as X->00 AX^B/CX^D
If B>D then the limit is 00
If B=D then the limit is A/C
If B<D then the limit is 0
Note that the limit is never equal to both 00 and 0. Therefore there is nothing in this model that both can and cannot be lifted.
Wrong: you forgot the scenario of the geometric series test. If x< 1, it converges. If x> or equal to 1, it diverges. In the case o f B and D, it honestly does not matter in almost every case. Plus, if B<D, you still don't understand. It doesn't equal 0. I t cannot. Let's say A=B and B is =/= D. By using L'Hospital's rules, our answer comes out to 1, and in your example, 1=1 means both are just as strong.
Limit of 2X^2/X is 00 as X goes to infinite
Limit of 2X/X is 2/1 as X goes to infinite
Limit of 2X/X^2 is 0 as X goes to infinite
Equally strong is possible. Simultaneously stronger and weaker is what the paradox asks for.
And to be honest it's ignorant to say "An omnipotent god can make a message that is perfectly clear. A perfectly clear message has 1 and only 1 interpretation. The holy writings of the Jewish/Christian/Muslim god are not perfectly clear. Therefore the Jewish/Christian/Muslim is not omnipotent." Maybe they are clear and people are just too stupid to understand. Have you talked with biblical scholars? Have you actually studied scripture before? I am not saying I have, but you need to be careful when you say things like that...plus I don't see how arguing about this goes with the topic. Are you honestly going to call God non-omni (whatever) on the basis you don't understand scripture? Seriously? That is what you said in your above statement.
I have not studied in a college class but I have been part of regular discussions in a group with biblical scholar guest speakers.
If a document had perfect clarity it could not be misinterpreted. A document with high clarity can be misinterpreted due to idiocy or difference perspective but this is not the case for perfect clarity. Each misinterpretation is an additional interpretation. A perfectly clear document has 1 interpretation not 1 correct interpretation and a dozen incorrect ones.
I call God non-omni because his lack of clarity is large enough to cause holy wars.
Math=Good, but I do ask you study with more biblical scholars. I mean, they don't just hand out degrees for no reason. Plus, you are now saying what you did before (non-clarity) + that it has caused wars to happen...be very careful. Let's say God started the bible with 2+2=4. Now, in God's mind, he really meant for everyone to know 2+2=4. There will still be wars. What I am trying to say is God is clear in the bible and that if humans misinterpret that is there problem. You can't blame God for that. Secondly, what wars are you talking about? I am not too familiar with the term 'holy wars.' If you do enough research, there is a general consensus on what a lot of things in the bible are referring to.
Let's not forget God didn't write the bible. He asked certain to people to write certain parts, but things like Paul's letters in the New Testament: Paul's experiences and life, not really divine intervention right there.
Let me ask this, in one of Jesus' teachings he states that if your hand is causing you to do bad things, you should cut it off (Matthew 5:30). He literally uses the word 'cut it off' in some translations. God was clear in his word by also giving background to what he was trying to say.
My point: God doesn't make statements like the above one without helping understand the situation first. Maybe God is clear, but what humans did was like the media, take a piece of the bible and that is all you have to go on. To be honest I think your argument regardless is weak to show God is not omni.
You are right, misinterpretations are a problem, but let's be honest, there are even simpler things today that cause fights because some people are just so stupid they can't even understand it. Humans fault, not Gods...again a valid reason why we have scholars/pastors today.
