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Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61628.msg1228972#msg1228972
« on: March 29, 2016, 11:17:43 pm »
Overview
Pokemon Showdown is a simulator for playing competitive Pokemon games. If you have not tried competitive Pokemon before, I would certainly recommend it, because it involves a high degree of strategy and originality. For this tournament, players will have a Type, and they will be required to use at least 4 Pokemon of their Type. We will be using Smogon's tier list. Feel free to post any questions or concerns in this thread.

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To sign up, post in this thread, and include your Pokemon Showdown name if it differs from your forum name. Then, send a private message to RootRanger with your bids. The bidding process is explained below.

Bids
Players are given 12 "points," which will be explained in the following section. Players may bid on the 18 Types, with each bid ranging from 0 to 12. Types will be given to the players who bid the highest on them, on the condition that players are only given one type. Thus, a player is guaranteed a Type even if all of their bids are 0. Ties will be settled through RNG. A bidding template is below, and it would be filled with numbers from 0 to 12.
Spoiler for Hidden:
Bug -
Dark -
Dragon -
Electric -
Fairy -
Fighting -
Fire -
Flying -
Ghost -
Grass -
Ground -
Ice -
Normal -
Poison -
Psychic -
Rock -
Steel -
Water -

Teambuilding
Once the bidding ends, players are given their Type, as well as their number of points, which is equal to 12 minus their winning bid. For instance, a player who bid 5 points on their Type would have 7 points remaining. In each team, players must use at least 4 Pokemon of their type. The tiers they are allowed to use depend on their remaining number of points. Each OU or BL Pokemon costs 2 points, and each UU Pokemon costs 1 point. Ubers Pokemon are banned. Pokemon of the remaining tiers may be used with no restriction. For example, a player with 7 points could use 2 OU Pokemon, 3 UU Pokemon, and 1 RU Pokemon (2*2+3*1+0=7). Players are not required to use all of their points. Players are allowed to use a different team each game, as long as their team follows the rules.

Pairings and Elimination
For Phase 1, players be randomly ordered for the purposes of matchmaking. Each player will play against the two players "above" them and the two players "below" them, for a total of four matches. For example, Player 6 would be matched against Players 4, 5, 7, and 8. Each match consists of a total of three games. After Phase 1, which lasts three weeks, players are ranked according to Weighted Win Percentage (WWP). The top 5 players move on to Phase 2, which is round-robin. As with the previous phase, Phase 2 lasts 3 weeks and the matches consist of three games. The winner of the event is the player with the highest overall WWP, with all 24 games being taken into consideration.
Spoiler for Weighted Win Percentage:
Each Win is multiplied by a Weighting Factor of (0.5+OpponentWinPercentage). Each Loss is multiplied by a Weighting Factor of (1.5-OpponentWinPercentage). The WWP is calculated as Weighted Wins divided by (Weighted Wins + Weighted Losses). For example, if a player had 6 wins and 6 losses, all of which were against opponents with 9 wins and 3 losses each, their WWP would be (6*(0.5+0.75))/(6*(0.5+0.75)+6*(1.5-0.75))=0.625. If a player had 9 wins and 3 losses, and their 9 wins were against players with 6 wins and 6 losses while their 3 losses were against players with 12 wins and 0 losses, their WWP would be (9*(0.5+0.5))/(9*(0.5+0.5)+3*(1.5-1))=0.857. As you can see, strength of schedule is important but not overvalued. Furthermore, the calculation can be verified fairly easily.

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The reason for the bidding method is to ensure variety and fairness. If we let multiple people choose the same Type, there will be little variety. If we have a first-come-first-serve system, there will be little fairness. The reason for this system of Pairings and Elimination is so that players will have a sufficient amount of matches before there are any eliminations. There is no championship game, as it would potentially be unfair if there is a type advantage.

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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61628.msg1228973#msg1228973
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2016, 11:17:52 pm »
I will be signing up as a participant, but all of my bids will be 0 so that I do not have an unfair advantage. Additionally, all randomization will be done publicly in chat. This ensures that there is no realistic possibility for me to abuse my position as host of the event. If there is any concern with this, feel free to make it known in the thread.
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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61628.msg1228975#msg1228975
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2016, 11:48:56 pm »
Is using Pokemon Online a possible alternative to Showdown if both participants are more comfortable with it?

Also, if in theory I bid 1 on 12 types of my choosing, do I get to pick from the ones that haven't been picked before me, or would that also be randomized?

Questions aside, I'm a fan of your system, though I might not join given my free time lately has been less than ideal. Looking forward to it either way.
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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61628.msg1228976#msg1228976
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2016, 11:51:15 pm »
Is using Pokemon Online a possible alternative to Showdown if both participants are more comfortable with it?
Yes, of course. I was under the impression that Showdown was the more popular one.

Also, if in theory I bid 1 on 12 types of my choosing, do I get to pick from the ones that haven't been picked before me, or would that also be randomized?
Good question. For the sake of simplicity and smoothness, I would randomize your Type among the 1-bid ones that you won. (Only if you lose all of your 1-bids would you get one of the remaining 6 Types.)
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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61628.msg1228977#msg1228977
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2016, 11:52:35 pm »
In! My Showdown name is "IAmKitten".

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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61628.msg1228979#msg1228979
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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61628.msg1228980#msg1228980
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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61628.msg1228981#msg1228981
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2016, 12:24:22 am »
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pokemon online is an old simulator; the pokemon online community "died" 2 years ago, after smoogn created pokemon showdown, and has some bugs:

1 the berries codes doesn't work correctly, some berries that works at 50% of HP works at 25% and viceversa or don't work at all
2 trace ability doesn't work if u switch in against a pokemon that uses volt switch or uturn
3 i don't know if they fixed the future sight bug, being able to okho a full hp pokemon with focus sash or sturdy
4 if u are planning to playing from phone or tablet, don't use hidden powers: they can change randomly since the client doesn't have a way to change IV's

so be aware

also, we should post our bids here or in pvt?

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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61628.msg1228983#msg1228983
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2016, 12:44:32 am »
It's recommended that you send bids to me through private message, for strategic reasons.

However, you can post your bids here if you're feeling extra courageous!
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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61628.msg1228984#msg1228984
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2016, 12:46:48 am »
However, you can post your bids here if you're feeling extra courageous!

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Re: Pokemon Showdown Type Tournament https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61628.msg1228987#msg1228987
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2016, 12:52:36 am »
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What's a pokemon?
Also I won't send any bids because I don't even know what's strong or not.
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