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Re: Hearthstone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53331.msg1213157#msg1213157
« Reply #156 on: November 01, 2015, 01:38:16 pm »
I average 6 wins since TGT, my secret is to always pick paladin or mage when available.  :P
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Re: Hearthstone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53331.msg1213158#msg1213158
« Reply #157 on: November 01, 2015, 02:06:11 pm »
All you need to get started are 2 Shielded Minibots and 2 Muster for Battles. Don't worry about the other legendaries/epics for now, for any deck really since they'll come slowly after you get good at Arena. When I first built paladin, I put in Frostwolf Warlord and Imp Master as substitutes for stuff xD

Do you have Naxx? Sludge and Zombie chow alongside decent creatures for each slot should be powerful enough to sustain a basic Paladin deck. It's defensive but still proactive, and can be a blast as it's strong vs aggro and control alike. It also offers a challenge of skill without being too complex, and is good training for Arena playstyle.

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Re: Hearthstone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53331.msg1213172#msg1213172
« Reply #158 on: November 01, 2015, 03:34:51 pm »
Getting good at Arena does involve a lot of RNG, but one of the key concepts you must adopt to get better at arena is to look past the RNG. Sometimes you get bad luck, but your job is to minimize that. Learning how much to expect on mulligan for your specific deck is very important. e.g. if you only have 3/4 2-drops playable on turn 2, it might not be worth it to throw away that 4-drop to search for them. It depends on how your deck is expected to play out.

Arena is also a game based on tempo, so on each play you must try to maximize what you get on the board through the next two turns. Also learn to expect your opponent's expected plays and plan accordingly. I know these sound obvious, but after multiple games you might lose focus and not keep this up - which often leads to a loss. On that note try to avoid tilt and take breaks, especially if RNG starts being rough-handed on you.

Finally, draft good cards! This depends a bit on luck, but you'll need to recognize which cards are great and which are good. Great cards like North Sea Kraken or Truesilver are usually auto-picks even over strong synergy cards, but at later points you'll pick cards with strong synergy with your deck over good cards like Yeti. Evaluating the exact strength of synergies is a bit tough, so I'd recommend starting with HearthArena to at least get a feel for that. Oh and another consideration is to try to keep your curve stable based on your support cards. A generous amount of 4-drops and several 3/5 drops is often the best.

Calin's advice of picking Mage/Pala on sight is good too. Paladin is really easy to start with due to its raw power, and Mage's support makes game planning easier too. I would advise against choosing Warrior/Shaman/Priest/Warlock as a beginner btw, as they have worse power level than other classes and a bit difficult playstyle. It's better if you gain experience with them in constructed before playing them in Arena. And Rogue... it's the strongest class but its playstyle is pretty challenging. One of the difficult concepts is knowing when to save your low drops and when to spam them, as combos dictate the flow of your game. It's also a challange keeping track of how low is too low for your own HP. So yeah, don't play rogue either unless you have no choice or after you've played vs good arena rogues and gotten a feel for their playstyle.

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Re: Hearthstone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53331.msg1213222#msg1213222
« Reply #159 on: November 01, 2015, 11:22:00 pm »
I like to draft with preference to removal cards and what I call the 'surprise cards', cards that are difficult to play around unless you are either paranoid or have inside information via mind vision or the like.  Things like dark iron dwarf, lance carrier, shattered sun cleric, that can let a crappy minion kill a good one, can really turn the tide.  There is probably no 4 cost common minion I will take over dark iron dwarf, and that includes yetis and piloted shredder.  (If I had good mech synergy, I would take one of those instead, but that's about it)

Class specific ones like seal of champions (there's a lot of OP paladin ones in this category, which is why paladins do so well), demonfire, velen's chosen, auchenai soulpriest, fallen hero, are examples of cards that let you suddenly make better trades on board without giving your opponent a chance to respond.  Of course, you can't take too many of these, or you just have a hand full of them, but in arena, you probably won't get offered enough for that to be an issue.

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Re: Hearthstone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53331.msg1213232#msg1213232
« Reply #160 on: November 02, 2015, 01:44:38 am »
Rest assured that most would pick Shredders over Dorfs, just to show you there are different opinions, however they're very close in value and Dorfs definitely have the edge if you have access to early Divine Shields (Annoy-a-tron, Shielded Minibot, Argent Protector etc.). A bit further back I listed two pages that are nice guidelines for what class to pick and the theoretical numerical value of each individual card.

Besides those, as I also mentioned there, your mana curve is very important and being aware that some classes may want a lower one depending on how the draft is going (Hunter, for instance). Moreover, as mentioned, some cards combo with each other and can therefore vastly increase in value, however you normally want to go for individual card value over combos in Arena due to not knowing if you'll get enough card draw.

There are lots of things to consider and only practice can make it all come naturally.

Oh, and Mind Control Tech is disgusting. Arena comes down to tempo 98% of the time, and that's why card value and mana curve are so very important, but more the latter than the former.
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« Reply #161 on: November 03, 2015, 07:03:29 pm »
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Re: Hearthstone https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53331.msg1214583#msg1214583
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what are your rank actually ? , i am 10 in European server ...
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