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News and Announcements => Patch Notes and Development News => Topic started by: zanzarino on January 20, 2010, 02:28:13 am
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I had an idea tonight while overdosing on caffeine; Elements needs a way to distribute nymphs maintaining their rarity, and a way to reward players that is not based on grinding.
Meet “The Oracleâ€Â.
- How does it work?
Every day, but only once per day, you can click a special button and visit the oracle. The oracle will pick a single card for you; the card will be accompanied with a small sentence, something like a mini-horoscope for your day:
Empathic bond? A new friend
Thunderstorm? Stormy day
Devourer? A pest is going to suck the life out of your day
Skeleton? Not a good day
etc.
Each card will also have its related gift; most times it will be a handful of electrum coins, sometime a good amount of electrum coins, sometime a free card, if the oracle tells you that your card of the day is a nymph: you get to keep her.
-Are you really going to add this to elements? How long would it take?
I do not know and I do not know. That’s why I am writing in the forum and get a taste of the community’s reaction to my idea before I seriously consider doing it.
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I really love that idea. It helps people low on electrum to maybe get some quick to start dueling without having to sell a card, or maybe give them a free card to add to their deck, or maybe just to sell. All in all, I really enjoy this idea and hope you do end up implementing it.
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I really love that idea. It helps people low on electrum to maybe get some quick to start dueling without having to sell a card, or maybe give them a free card to add to their deck, or maybe just to sell. All in all, I really enjoy this idea and hope you do end up implementing it.
Ditto this. Though I wonder if this would be the only way to get Nymphs. Would Nymph's Tears be available this way, too? Could we get them from spins against Fake Gods or AI5, or would we have to rely on The Oracle alone for Nymph based cards?
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I really love that idea. It helps people low on electrum to maybe get some quick to start dueling without having to sell a card, or maybe give them a free card to add to their deck, or maybe just to sell. All in all, I really enjoy this idea and hope you do end up implementing it.
Ditto this. Though I wonder if this would be the only way to get Nymphs. Would Nymph's Tears be available this way, too? Could we get them from spins against Fake Gods or AI5, or would we have to rely on The Oracle alone for Nymph based cards?
I would hope you could get the Tears this way too. I would hope you have a chance at any card this way, Miracles, Shards, etc.
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This is, if nothing else, a great way to make a player log in every day. I would suggest, however, that the Oracle only become available after you win a game, and only once every 24 hours. That will keep people from just logging in every morning on the way to school and spending six seconds getting their 34 Electrum for the day (or whatever).
I'd also be willing to write some of the "fortunes", if you'd like. I'm a professional writer and my wife is an amateur astrologist, so we can have some total fun with it. Interestingly, there are the same number of Zodiac signs as there are Elements. There could be a lot of storyline potential here. :)
And I kind-of agree with Kamietsu in that I think Shards, as well as Nymphs, should be available through the Oracle, especially since SoGs aren't consistently available to people who donate anymore.
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nymph's tears is an alchemy card correct? if so, it should be in the bazaar. then again, squid is becoming a bazaar card after the update. hm... what will the ratio be of some electrum- lots of electrum- random card- nymph card? that will be crucial for the rarity of nymphs if you implement this as the only way to get nymphs.
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Nymph's tears is going to be available at the bazaar and not a rare.
Essence: I will need help writing all of those fortune... and I already thought about a matching between elements and horoscope signs.
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Ah really, Zanz? That's great. I thought it'd end up being a rare. Cool ^_^
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Nymph Tear is a common card?! Woo hoo! I can actually build my Nymph Deck without rare hunting!
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Nymph Tear is a common card?! Woo hoo! I can actually build my Nymph Deck without rare hunting!
lol. you got a nymph deck idea too? and im happy that nymph's tear will be a common as well
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Nymph Tear is a common card?! Woo hoo! I can actually build my Nymph Deck without rare hunting!
lol. you got a nymph deck idea too? and im happy that nymph's tear will be a common as well
I have an entire thread about it in the Rainbow Deck section, lol, so of course I'm excited! o-o
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Oracle sounds like an easy way to get money and cards in a controled manner. I like it. Nymph's tears smells like the new card for rainbowdecks though...
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I really like this idea. It fits the flavor of the game perfectly, it doesn't create any grind whatsoever, and it provides a fair opportunity for every kind of player to win nymphs. Sounds pretty bulletproof if you ask me. :)
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So will nymphs be winnable in the slots?
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Me liekz this idea.
So, I guess nymphs cannot be won from the slot machine.
Nymph's tears is going to be available at the bazaar and not a rare.
OMGWTFBBQZORZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!11!!111!!!!!!!!!!1!1!!1!!!!!1
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I also really like this idea. :) Reasons not to grind make my day, I spend more time on Elements than I should xD
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This is a good idea. I just hope that it will be available every day or every whatever-period and not be timer-based. By that I mean I do not want there to be a 24 hour (or whatever period) timer once we visit the oracle.
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This is a good idea. I just hope that it will be available every day or every whatever-period and not be timer-based. By that I mean I do not want there to be a 24 hour (or whatever period) timer once we visit the oracle.
So, just to clarify this to myself and everyone else, you're suggesting that once a day, as in, upon midnight, when the date changes from Monday to Tuesday, for example, we can visit the Oracle?
An example would be that if I visit the Oracle at 11:59pm on Monday, I can then visit her again one minute later, but then I'd have to wait at least until the next Midnight to visit it again, right?
And likewise, you're opposed to there being a timer system (such as the 24-hour timer), such as if I were to visit the Oracle at 10:27am, I'd have to wait until 10:27am the following day to visit it again?
I'm pretty sure that's what you meant, but correct me if I'm wrong.
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I love this idea. As soon as you can get this implemented I will use it with glee.
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Like others have already pointed out, a very cool idea. I cannot see how anyone could be against this idea so go for it.
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This is a good idea. I just hope that it will be available every day or every whatever-period and not be timer-based. By that I mean I do not want there to be a 24 hour (or whatever period) timer once we visit the oracle.
So, just to clarify this to myself and everyone else, you're suggesting that once a day, as in, upon midnight, when the date changes from Monday to Tuesday, for example, we can visit the Oracle?
An example would be that if I visit the Oracle at 11:59pm on Monday, I can then visit her again one minute later, but then I'd have to wait at least until the next Midnight to visit it again, right?
And likewise, you're opposed to there being a timer system (such as the 24-hour timer), such as if I were to visit the Oracle at 10:27am, I'd have to wait until 10:27am the following day to visit it again?
I'm pretty sure that's what you meant, but correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes, that's right. I'm opposed to the latter because you would inevitably lose time. Then again, with the non-timer-based system, some people can effectively log in once every 2 days and visit the oracle. I would still rather the non-timer-based system because I don't play elements to a schedule and I don't wish to do so.
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I cannot see how anyone could be against this idea [...]
I can, but it's a rather minor issue. This:
[...] I don't play elements to a schedule and I don't wish to do so.
...would be the reason.
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I would like to echo all that has been said before.
I think it is (will be) a great addition to the game.
As previously mentioned. It will give all the community, starter and vetran alike, a good reason to log every day (if they don't already) and they loss nothing if they chose not to.
In addition I love the idea of an accompanying horoscope. It all adds to the flavour and depth of the Elements world and is a really winner
Two thumbs up from me Zanz
Matt aka Goldfish2
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The best ideas are always coming at night.
Really good idea. It will make this game even better.
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Question, would you be able to win upgraded cards as well? (subtle reference from The Office :) )
Suggestion, maybe have a way to win or purchase more oracle visits?
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Think its a good idea. Ad some advertisement in it when you click it, so you gain more money on it zan.
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purchase more oracle visits?
While I'm totally all for Zanz having more ways to profit from this game, I think that this idea would totally destroy the flavor of the Oracle. The extra ads idea, I'm all for. :)
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purchase more oracle visits?
While I'm totally all for Zanz having more ways to profit from this game, I think that this idea would totally destroy the flavor of the Oracle. The extra ads idea, I'm all for. :)
I wasn't talking about real life money, but more like 500 electrum for an oracle visit, or be able to win a visit in the false god slots or something. But the more I think about it, the more I'm against it... lol
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Yeah bad idea. The Oracle is one thing agains too much grinidng, but make Oracles buyable or winable will force to grind....
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I think what's been said before is enough for Zanz to know that this idea is well liked. So I'm just going to say that I agree and that it is perfect. Also, glad to hear that Nymphs tears will be common!
Keep up the coffee binge and get coding Zanz :)
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Keep up the coffee binge and get coding Zanz :)
Ditto! Can't wait to see this live! Would we expect to see it in the Trainer eventually, before the final release?
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I love this idea, and hope I can see it before I decide to get bored of elements again. ;D
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Since I was ignored, I'll ask again. Anyone know if the nymph cards will be available in the slots?
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Since I was ignored, I'll ask again. Anyone know if the nymph cards will be available in the slots?
They will not. If they could be won in the slots, why make the Oracle at all?
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looks good and hope to see it soon
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Since I was ignored, I'll ask again. Anyone know if the nymph cards will be available in the slots?
They will not. If they could be won in the slots, why make the Oracle at all?
Well I liked the idea of making them legendary. I see no reason not to continiu this path. Oracle is one way but giving you a chance to win won via slots-with extreme low % is imo still a good way to go.
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I just thought a cheater could create like 10 accounts and use the oracle 10 times per day, thus having a chance to win nymphs far more quickly.. shouldn't it be IP based to prevent (in most cases) this type of cheating?
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There's no trading, so I don't really see how that would be an issue...
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Yes but if it's really so hard to find nymphs people getting one soon creating 100 accounts would have a considerable edge on regular starters..
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Yes but if it's really so hard to find nymphs people getting one soon creating 100 accounts would have a considerable edge on regular starters..
If someone has the patience to make a hundred accounts and use them all every day to get a Nymph, I say he has deserved one.
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Agreed. I'm assuming the chance to get a Nymph from the Oracle is lower than the chance to get any other card, and there are quite a few cards in the game. Intentionally grinding once per day using a lot of accounts for the Nymph is very, very inefficient, and whoever wants to put their time and effort in trying to find a living canary in a coal mine like this is quite dedicated.
Although it's been said, many times, many ways, this idea is great. My planning is this: normal electrum reward is anywhere from 0 to 60 electrum, "extra" electrum range is from 90 to 150, and winning a Nymph has a very slim chance.
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I think it should be based on the card you draw, basically you win the cost of the card in Electrum.
Maybe if you want to be really nice to us, have a 4% chance of drawing an upgraded card (and winning the cost of the upgraded card), and let all cards -- including nymphs -- have the same chance of being drawn. Seriously, there are nearly 150 cards (not counting upgrades) in the game, so even if you have 12 Nymphs in that 150, it's less than 10% that you'll get a Nymph, much less a specific Nymph.
Or, if you want them to be ultrarare, combine the ideas of the upgraded card at 4% with the all-cards-at-equal probability, but you only actually win a Nymph if you draw the upgraded version. That's a .4% chance per day of winning a Nymph at all, much less the one you're actually hoping for. At that rate, it would take 125 days -- a third of a year -- to be statistically likely to have won a single Nymph.
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I don't like waiting 125 days just to get a card... Perhaps there could also be 2 special cards, one called good fortune and one called bad luck, which would slightly increase/decrease your changes of winning the coin toss for that day (Thinking something small, maybe 5-10% extra chance).
The idea is great, you need to drink more coffee ;D
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I think that if we use Essence's second idea, then Nymphs should be winable in the Spins in everything EXCEPT Top 50 matches. That way, they'd at least be able to circulate a little bit.
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Zanz, alwais the best ;)
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I already thought about the chance of people creating hundreds of accounts trying to get a nymph. It is not really a big deal because:
The oracle will be available only after the "defeat a level 1 elemental" quest is completed.
This should make manually creating accounts just to get a nymph quite a waste of time.
Someone could try to alter the account data with a script in the attempt to get extra oracle visits, quest completed, or nymphs, but the database would delete corrupted accounts anyway.
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Then the system is ok :)
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Let's see... how about this system.
If your fortune for the day is a card available at the Bazaar, you receive 2/3 of the gold that it would normally cost.
If your fortune for the day is a rare card, you receive 100 for a Weapon, 120 for a Creature, and 140 for a Spell.
If your fortune for the day is a nymph, you keep it.
And I can help write fortunes. If anyone needs me to.
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I really preffer to win the card playing vs gods or something
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Let's see... how about this system.
If your fortune for the day is a card available at the Bazaar, you receive 2/3 of the gold that it would normally cost.
If your fortune for the day is a rare card, you receive 100 for a Weapon, 120 for a Creature, and 140 for a Spell.
If your fortune for the day is a nymph, you keep it.
And I can help write fortunes. If anyone needs me to.
Dont forget that zanz said sometimes it will be a free card :P
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So Zanz to clarify the intent would be only to add nymphs into the oracle and not have it in spins at all?
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I think that is what the intent is.
It will totally slow down the rate at which people can get nymphs. I personally think they should be able to be won in spins, but maybe using a different formula than the current spinner system.
I think the current system works something like this:
1. pick a card from your opponents deck
2. if it is a pillar return to step one
3. if after 10 picks it is still a pillar keep it.
4. repeat steps 1 to 3 until Four cards are chosen
5. Spin 3 spinners using the 4 cards chosen
6. if all 3 spinners return the same card, you keep it.
(might be completely simplified or completely wrong)
But I think Nymphs should be winnable-on-defeating an opponent, just extremely rare:1
1) Not many opponents will have them to start off with
2) The chances of it coming up in the spinner at all are very slim
3) The chances of it appearing 3 times in the spinner are even slimmer.
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Not to mention the fact that the time people would have to use to get a full deck of Nymphs would take FOREVER (good thing), so having them be rarer-than-rare in the slots is fine in my books.
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There are actually 5 cards chosen, Evilhamster made a thread about it, but i can't seem to find the link. Hopefully someone else will remember the title.
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There are actually 5 cards chosen, Evilhamster made a thread about it, but i can't seem to find the link. Hopefully someone else will remember the title.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,590.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,590.0.html)
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Sorry for the off-topic post, but WOW, SG. Your avvy is worth +Karma just for badassitude. 8)
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lol on the 100 accounts thing. what purpose does making 100 accounts serve JUST to get one nymph. not to mention the fact that it may not be the element you want. NOT TO MENTION the fact that the chances of drawing a nymph (if you only have 1) is AT MOST 1/30, which isnt that high. the 100 account thing is just a waste of time and shouldnt even be considered an effective nymph strategy.
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Id rather earn my nymph than get one for free by chance... make some uber hard quest that gives a chance to win a nymph.
Sbi3
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Id rather earn my nymph than get one for free by chance... make some uber hard quest that gives a chance to win a nymph.
Sbi3
that can be abused. people can get a lot of practice doing that and eventualy make a nymph farm deck. thus making the card mainstream. thats exactly what we are all avoiding
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Id rather earn my nymph than get one for free by chance... make some uber hard quest that gives a chance to win a nymph.
Sbi3
that can be abused. people can get a lot of practice doing that and eventualy make a nymph farm deck. thus making the card mainstream. thats exactly what we are all avoiding
Unless, of course, Zanz makes it a quest that can only be done once, just like the Rare Weapon quest.
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Actually, seeing as the Nymphs aren't winnable in the slots, I can see a quest for a single Nymph, much like the Weapon quest.
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hi guys, i'm new to this, and i think the oracle idea is fine...it would add some new flavours to elements, instead of just card-gaming. The slot-spinning idea for getting nymphs are fine too
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while i think the idea is........quaint
really what's the whole point in making even more hard to get cards?
right now the ratio of rare to buyable is fine (except for SOG's) but then you introduce nymphs which are imho underpowered overcosted and just not anywhere near as fantastic as they're made out to be
yet once again i see lot's of people jumping on the idea that they should remain one of those type of cards
let's look at where they excel just from the first sight
they're mid to high cost and they have an effect which is a reusable form of one of the latest set of cards effects
ok this makes them good in the respect that in a mono deck they could all use one of their corresponding nymphs and mono decks are just not viable for anything like a FG or whatnot and indeed duo and tro element decks too could use them as opposed to the bland vanilla beatstick monsters with no effect
but instead of just adding these "meh" cards you're instead thinking of making them pure chance to get a random one? lol
the oracle idea i love but all this "zomg a rarezorz card lol!!!!11!!!" stuff is kinda annoying the nymphs are interesting and all but i'm not bothered spending a very long time getting any of them and let's face it if they are indeed winnable in slots from oh....... dark matter then the chances of me actually winning one as a quantum/rainbow player is something like ohhhhhh 1% say?
really quantum players are getting it in the ass left right and center and of course now the new cards are "rarezorz" and so again interesting ideas are stifled
how about we just work on plugging up some of the holes in elemental strategies with nice new standard common additions BEFORE we start implementing stupidly hard to get cards which only really help the already needed elemental strategies
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while i think the idea is........quaint
really what's the whole point in making even more hard to get cards?
right now the ratio of rare to buyable is fine (except for SOG's) but then you introduce nymphs which are imho underpowered overcosted and just not anywhere near as fantastic as they're made out to be
yet once again i see lot's of people jumping on the idea that they should remain one of those type of cards
let's look at where they excel just from the first sight
they're mid to high cost and they have an effect which is a reusable form of one of the latest set of cards effects
ok this makes them good in the respect that in a mono deck they could all use one of their corresponding nymphs and mono decks are just not viable for anything like a FG or whatnot and indeed duo and tro element decks too could use them as opposed to the bland vanilla beatstick monsters with no effect
but instead of just adding these "meh" cards you're instead thinking of making them pure chance to get a random one? lol
the oracle idea i love but all this "zomg a rarezorz card lol!!!!11!!!" stuff is kinda annoying the nymphs are interesting and all but i'm not bothered spending a very long time getting any of them and let's face it if they are indeed winnable in slots from oh....... dark matter then the chances of me actually winning one as a quantum/rainbow player is something like ohhhhhh 1% say?
really quantum players are getting it in the ass left right and center and of course now the new cards are "rarezorz" and so again interesting ideas are stifled
how about we just work on plugging up some of the holes in elemental strategies with nice new standard common additions BEFORE we start implementing stupidly hard to get cards which only really help the already needed elemental strategies
While I respect your opinion I would also appreciate it if you were to type that it is your opinion. Not as if everything you say is cold hard fact. Saying the Nymph cards are just "meh" is personal opinion and I disagree with you strongly. Having, and using, a Nymph card does give your deck some extra strength. It's abilities are based off the new Alchemy card set, each card which you can only have a maximum of 6 in you deck. With the Nymphs, it breaks those limits by giving you a way to constantly use an Alchemy effect for a low cost, when compared to the actual alchemy card. I would much rather pay 8 for Nymph's tears, or 9 for the Purple Nymph to be able to use Antimatter which only costs 4 to use from the Nymph. In the long run I will have a more cost efficient way. Running 6 antimatters can get costly fast.
So having such a possibly powerful card, depending on how you use it and your own personal skill to use it well, not be a rare could change the gameplay too much too suddenly, and not for the best right away. Introducing the Nymphs as stand alone cards into the game helps ease change into the game. Maybe one day in the future the Nymphs will become common cards in the bazaar simply because they are not as powerful anymore compared to a bunch of new cards that could come out, the same way Artic Squid I believe is becoming a common card buyable in the bazaar.
Also, you seem to not be thinking about the future of Elements the Game at all. While yes, many mono decks cannot really stand up to the FGs yet, the addition to Nymph can help change that some, while also opening up new possibilities for future cards to be able to up the power needed in a mono deck. For all we know, this time next year, a mono deck could rule supreme over most other decks.
The odds of winning a Nymph are high. Many many many people will not have them very quickly at all, by the time someone has 6 of just one kind of Nymph, I suspect we will be getting some new cards. And if you want Nymphs and don't care to wait to gain it in the Oracle, use a Nymph's Tears. it will be a more costly way to do it but it works, especially makes a nice addition to any rainbow deck. Just splash one or two towers of the elements you want the nymph from.
The nymph cards do increase strategy, especially on those decks that rely on adrenalined creatures, or antimattering your opponents strong monsters.
Besides, it's not like Rainbow players need any extra help. They are plenty powerful enough as is, not to mention very popular. Stuff like black hole, and even precognition when used right can counter a rainbow pretty well. Rainbows don't ned help, they need better counters and the Nymphs add some to that.
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Why the nymphs aren't in the spins?
Becaus zanz don't wanted to meke them avaible for the grinder taht play 24/7 elements to get all cards, when other players don't have the time to do that. He wants to make it more fair.
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Or he could be smart and just make it not avalable in the T50 and/or the PVP slots.
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while i think the idea is........quaint
really what's the whole point in making even more hard to get cards?
right now the ratio of rare to buyable is fine (except for SOG's) but then you introduce nymphs which are imho underpowered overcosted and just not anywhere near as fantastic as they're made out to be
yet once again i see lot's of people jumping on the idea that they should remain one of those type of cards
let's look at where they excel just from the first sight
they're mid to high cost and they have an effect which is a reusable form of one of the latest set of cards effects
ok this makes them good in the respect that in a mono deck they could all use one of their corresponding nymphs and mono decks are just not viable for anything like a FG or whatnot and indeed duo and tro element decks too could use them as opposed to the bland vanilla beatstick monsters with no effect
but instead of just adding these "meh" cards you're instead thinking of making them pure chance to get a random one? lol
the oracle idea i love but all this "zomg a rarezorz card lol!!!!11!!!" stuff is kinda annoying the nymphs are interesting and all but i'm not bothered spending a very long time getting any of them and let's face it if they are indeed winnable in slots from oh....... dark matter then the chances of me actually winning one as a quantum/rainbow player is something like ohhhhhh 1% say?
really quantum players are getting it in the ass left right and center and of course now the new cards are "rarezorz" and so again interesting ideas are stifled
how about we just work on plugging up some of the holes in elemental strategies with nice new standard common additions BEFORE we start implementing stupidly hard to get cards which only really help the already needed elemental strategies
While I respect your opinion I would also appreciate it if you were to type that it is your opinion. Not as if everything you say is cold hard fact. Saying the Nymph cards are just "meh" is personal opinion and I disagree with you strongly. Having, and using, a Nymph card does give your deck some extra strength. It's abilities are based off the new Alchemy card set, each card which you can only have a maximum of 6 in you deck. With the Nymphs, it breaks those limits by giving you a way to constantly use an Alchemy effect for a low cost, when compared to the actual alchemy card. I would much rather pay 8 for Nymph's tears, or 9 for the Purple Nymph to be able to use Antimatter which only costs 4 to use from the Nymph. In the long run I will have a more cost efficient way. Running 6 antimatters can get costly fast.
So having such a possibly powerful card, depending on how you use it and your own personal skill to use it well, not be a rare could change the gameplay too much too suddenly, and not for the best right away. Introducing the Nymphs as stand alone cards into the game helps ease change into the game. Maybe one day in the future the Nymphs will become common cards in the bazaar simply because they are not as powerful anymore compared to a bunch of new cards that could come out, the same way Artic Squid I believe is becoming a common card buyable in the bazaar.
Also, you seem to not be thinking about the future of Elements the Game at all. While yes, many mono decks cannot really stand up to the FGs yet, the addition to Nymph can help change that some, while also opening up new possibilities for future cards to be able to up the power needed in a mono deck. For all we know, this time next year, a mono deck could rule supreme over most other decks.
The odds of winning a Nymph are high. Many many many people will not have them very quickly at all, by the time someone has 6 of just one kind of Nymph, I suspect we will be getting some new cards. And if you want Nymphs and don't care to wait to gain it in the Oracle, use a Nymph's Tears. it will be a more costly way to do it but it works, especially makes a nice addition to any rainbow deck. Just splash one or two towers of the elements you want the nymph from.
The nymph cards do increase strategy, especially on those decks that rely on adrenalined creatures, or antimattering your opponents strong monsters.
Besides, it's not like Rainbow players need any extra help. They are plenty powerful enough as is, not to mention very popular. Stuff like black hole, and even precognition when used right can counter a rainbow pretty well. Rainbows don't ned help, they need better counters and the Nymphs add some to that.
no i've pretty much thought of all that i just guess i'm a little impatient XD i do apologise though to all for coming across like what i say is cold hard fact and yes it IS only just my opinions that i'm sharing so sorry if it came across as arrogant or whatnot i just guess i presume people would get that it's opinion and such
and yes i do realise that a reusable effect can be a lot better as well as gravity nymph being simply stunning against rainbow i mean we only have to look at dark matter to see that she's darned ridiculous vs the "meta deck"
to the point of rainbow not needing the help i would agree AND disagree at the same time.....
right now a lot of these changes have been anti rainbow and most FG decks seem to be more geared and prepared for them and i should know i've been playing nothing but rainbow for months and have been too lazy to farm for a new deck type XD
but again when there's only one reliable god killer deck it's gonna be used and when it get's nerfed in it's components or just the FG's are changed to combat the threat and that to me seems to be the case
instead of however nerfing rainbow and it's components i would have said i'd prefer it it was counterbalanced by strengthening the other elements with more feasable god combatting cards which are less likely to be abused in rainbow
cards such as antimatter are quite useful against a god i'll admit or aflatoxin but mostly i find them to be dead draws and such an not all that great so perhaps this was a step in the right direction
higher cost creatures of an element etc BUT
just how effective do you think a gravity nymph would be VS a FG
it's best case scenario would be rainbow an more than likely it would just end up as great healing but wouldn't stop the onslaught of shriekers imho
dark nymph(?) would be another example i mean it's like a mind flayer for dark and would be better in darkness themed decks but being of a high cost to get on the field would mean that flayer is better even if it's costs are of two elements
aether nymph........now this is one that i don't like really
three aether quant for the same effect that anubis gets?? not sure that i think much of this
and then there's the tears which i do like the idea of but it's cost puts me off although i do understand that it's to stop it being abused in rainbow and agree with the idea of it but why water??
maybe i'm just missing something but i'm just not crazy about it being water at all but hey just remember it's just my opinion and i do see the very good points you're making also and it's given me a few things to think about :)
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no i've pretty much thought of all that i just guess i'm a little impatient XD i do apologise though to all for coming across like what i say is cold hard fact and yes it IS only just my opinions that i'm sharing so sorry if it came across as arrogant or whatnot i just guess i presume people would get that it's opinion and such
and yes i do realise that a reusable effect can be a lot better as well as gravity nymph being simply stunning against rainbow i mean we only have to look at dark matter to see that she's darned ridiculous vs the "meta deck"
to the point of rainbow not needing the help i would agree AND disagree at the same time.....
right now a lot of these changes have been anti rainbow and most FG decks seem to be more geared and prepared for them and i should know i've been playing nothing but rainbow for months and have been too lazy to farm for a new deck type XD
but again when there's only one reliable god killer deck it's gonna be used and when it get's nerfed in it's components or just the FG's are changed to combat the threat and that to me seems to be the case
instead of however nerfing rainbow and it's components i would have said i'd prefer it it was counterbalanced by strengthening the other elements with more feasable god combatting cards which are less likely to be abused in rainbow
cards such as antimatter are quite useful against a god i'll admit or aflatoxin but mostly i find them to be dead draws and such an not all that great so perhaps this was a step in the right direction
higher cost creatures of an element etc BUT
just how effective do you think a gravity nymph would be VS a FG
it's best case scenario would be rainbow an more than likely it would just end up as great healing but wouldn't stop the onslaught of shriekers imho
dark nymph(?) would be another example i mean it's like a mind flayer for dark and would be better in darkness themed decks but being of a high cost to get on the field would mean that flayer is better even if it's costs are of two elements
aether nymph........now this is one that i don't like really
three aether quant for the same effect that anubis gets?? not sure that i think much of this
and then there's the tears which i do like the idea of but it's cost puts me off although i do understand that it's to stop it being abused in rainbow and agree with the idea of it but why water??
maybe i'm just missing something but i'm just not crazy about it being water at all but hey just remember it's just my opinion and i do see the very good points you're making also and it's given me a few things to think about :)
Ok, I see better where you are coming from now. It did seem much like you were flat out attacking everything left and right with very little support. I agree with you on several points of this, as I too run a rainbow. But I enjoy being forced into a challenge. By adding these rainbow hindering cards to the mix, especially in the FGs, it forces people to pull away from the norm as the normal strategies begin to fall apart. But it's also nice. There is no insta-rainbow-kill card, though black hole is close, you can still make a come back from it. So right now everything else just got introduced with cards that help counteract rainbow a bit better, instead of geting something amazingly good that a rainbow cannot hope to beat. Do you see where I am coming from? Baby steps.
I definitely agree that one successful deck will get spammed a bunch of times by different players, but slowly beginning to give everything else more power, which slowly destroys rainbow decks, is one of the best ways to begin to get people to use their brains and come up with more, better deck ideas, instead of just copying a deck a thousand times and just changing a few cards.
And about Nymph's Tears. Why water you ask? Well all the other elements already got their new Alchemy and Water needed a power boost. It's like the White Nymph. Currently, there isn't much use for it, but in the future of gaming, when new cards come out, there will be more combo opportunities right away.
Now, to bring this whole thing back on topic, I seem to be getting more and more eager for the Oracle to come out. Not just for a chance to win a nymph, but who doesn't enjoy getting a free card once in awhile? :)
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Both are deserving of some pos karma. well thought out from both sides. BTW havn´t heard much from Zanz pretty sure he is Working on this as top priorty imo. :)
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Both are deserving of some pos karma. well thought out from both sides. BTW havn´t heard much from Zanz pretty sure he is Working on this as top priorty imo. :)
I can only hope you are right :D
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no i've pretty much thought of all that i just guess i'm a little impatient XD i do apologise though to all for coming across like what i say is cold hard fact and yes it IS only just my opinions that i'm sharing so sorry if it came across as arrogant or whatnot i just guess i presume people would get that it's opinion and such
and yes i do realise that a reusable effect can be a lot better as well as gravity nymph being simply stunning against rainbow i mean we only have to look at dark matter to see that she's darned ridiculous vs the "meta deck"
to the point of rainbow not needing the help i would agree AND disagree at the same time.....
right now a lot of these changes have been anti rainbow and most FG decks seem to be more geared and prepared for them and i should know i've been playing nothing but rainbow for months and have been too lazy to farm for a new deck type XD
but again when there's only one reliable god killer deck it's gonna be used and when it get's nerfed in it's components or just the FG's are changed to combat the threat and that to me seems to be the case
instead of however nerfing rainbow and it's components i would have said i'd prefer it it was counterbalanced by strengthening the other elements with more feasable god combatting cards which are less likely to be abused in rainbow
cards such as antimatter are quite useful against a god i'll admit or aflatoxin but mostly i find them to be dead draws and such an not all that great so perhaps this was a step in the right direction
higher cost creatures of an element etc BUT
just how effective do you think a gravity nymph would be VS a FG
it's best case scenario would be rainbow an more than likely it would just end up as great healing but wouldn't stop the onslaught of shriekers imho
dark nymph(?) would be another example i mean it's like a mind flayer for dark and would be better in darkness themed decks but being of a high cost to get on the field would mean that flayer is better even if it's costs are of two elements
aether nymph........now this is one that i don't like really
three aether quant for the same effect that anubis gets?? not sure that i think much of this
and then there's the tears which i do like the idea of but it's cost puts me off although i do understand that it's to stop it being abused in rainbow and agree with the idea of it but why water??
maybe i'm just missing something but i'm just not crazy about it being water at all but hey just remember it's just my opinion and i do see the very good points you're making also and it's given me a few things to think about :)
Ok, I see better where you are coming from now. It did seem much like you were flat out attacking everything left and right with very little support. I agree with you on several points of this, as I too run a rainbow. But I enjoy being forced into a challenge. By adding these rainbow hindering cards to the mix, especially in the FGs, it forces people to pull away from the norm as the normal strategies begin to fall apart. But it's also nice. There is no insta-rainbow-kill card, though black hole is close, you can still make a come back from it. So right now everything else just got introduced with cards that help counteract rainbow a bit better, instead of geting something amazingly good that a rainbow cannot hope to beat. Do you see where I am coming from? Baby steps.
I definitely agree that one successful deck will get spammed a bunch of times by different players, but slowly beginning to give everything else more power, which slowly destroys rainbow decks, is one of the best ways to begin to get people to use their brains and come up with more, better deck ideas, instead of just copying a deck a thousand times and just changing a few cards.
And about Nymph's Tears. Why water you ask? Well all the other elements already got their new Alchemy and Water needed a power boost. It's like the White Nymph. Currently, there isn't much use for it, but in the future of gaming, when new cards come out, there will be more combo opportunities right away.
Now, to bring this whole thing back on topic, I seem to be getting more and more eager for the Oracle to come out. Not just for a chance to win a nymph, but who doesn't enjoy getting a free card once in awhile? :)
entirely my fault due to inherent laziness
however i would digress that quite possibly the biggest problem in ANY rainbow deck is A: a lack of creatures B: lack of a focused strategy C: quanta
there's pretty much nothing you can do against dark matter if you're a quantum player
he's gonna heal a lot and he's gonna get field presence usually within a turn or two
but the problem is NOT black hole i wouldn't be silly enough to suggest that
the problem is that as a FG he draws twice per turn and can ALWAYS play one after another incredibly early on leaving you literally with nothing to use
i don't mind if a FG rushes me i can handle that as i do after all have 100 lp but constantly having no quanta to play my cards is in my honest opinion overkill considering that rainbow is the best contender for FG farming
but if you just look at it simply every card has a counter strategy or card
with perm destruction you have protect artifacts
with monster control you have quintessence
where's the counter card for quant drain?
devourers?
honestly i see very little in the way of countering a god that can spam out -6 to - -30+ quant in a single turn
there's nothing to protect our quant and the only thing that would come close is to rely on the already slightly unreliable supernovas and pray you draw lots of them early
this comes down to luck and NOT skill although deckbuilding comes into play
between him and rainbow i see them as the two gods that are just plain ridiculous sometimes however honestly i see dark matter as being FAR superior in being just anti rainbow control and thus having an incredible advantage over everything unless you load your deck with quant gaining monsters or play a duo element deck or just all 1 and 2 cost cards etc
in short he's just simply completely imbalanced in my opinion and i cannot understand why anyone would disagree
admire his well built and thought out strategy all you want but he to me is completely and utterly ridiculously imbalanced
funny thing is black hole isn't even all that and a bag o chips for a player to play unless dedicated to gravity
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A mid to end game blackhole can be cheap healing, if nothing else. An early game blackhole can be devastating vs a rainbow deck since you are denying them quantum and healing at the same time.
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Not to mention that it could still be horrible for the opponent if he used a certain quanta a lot and you took out the remainders of it.
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hi. in my oracle i've nymph queen and he say " today, everything comes togheter.
your touch will bring new life to the same-old, same-old. Use it"...... i dont win nothing, or i have to do something?
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hi. in my oracle i've nymph queen and he say " today, everything comes togheter.
your touch will bring new life to the same-old, same-old. Use it"...... i dont win nothing, or i have to do something?
That is just the "in-development" screen to show off what's in store for us in a future version of Elements. You don't win anything other than the knowledge that the Oracle will be implemented soon, and Zanz is working on it :)
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I love this! Even if you do get a nymph that's not your element you can sell it and get a great price!
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You´ll perhaps not love this very long.
nymphs are REALLY RARE.
nymphs have a higher value than 909 coins.
You can gain 909 coins on many ways, but a sold nymph will never come back.
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Yeah, I don't I'd ever sell a nymph.... even if I had more than 6 of the same nymph.
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Got a Turquiose Nymph from the Oracle. Pretty useful! Didn't read my fortune, too exited about my card. :)
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i would do anything for a auburn nymph.....:(
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Nymph trading station? Say you need an Auburn Nymph, but get a Turquise Nymph? What then?
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i actually do have a turqoise nymph :D i would easily trade it for a auburn anyday
and in the past 2 days i won two nymphs(not today :( )
they were turquoise and amber nymph :P
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Hmm I always seem to have trouble receiving the card from the Oracle, not sure why but thats ok. I find the oracle a valuable addition to the game regardless.
Scyther
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Yeah, I've clicked every day since the Oracle came out. I've gotten no Nymphs, and only won about 3 other cards. :)
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Yeah, I've clicked every day since the Oracle came out. I've gotten no Nymphs, and only won about 3 other cards. :)
Maybe its your Fortunes that suggest a Hydrogen Cyanide detox or killing Zanz that have put your Fortune off.
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I'm pretty sure I never suggested killing Zanz. In fact, I do believe I specifically said NOT to kill Zanz. Also, almonds are almonds, not some poison that smells like them. ;p
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I'm pretty sure I never suggested killing Zanz. In fact, I do believe I specifically said NOT to kill Zanz. Also, almonds are almonds, not some poison that smells like them. ;p
Almonds contain Amygdalin which when exposed to a solvent (such as Citric Acid aka Lemon Juice) becomes Prussic Acid aka HCN. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalin#Chemistry
From good old Wikipaedia we also see. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalin#Toxicity
"Beta-glucosidase, one of the enzymes that catalyzes the release of the cyanide from amygdalin, is present in human small intestine and in a variety of common foods. This leads to an unpredictable and potentially lethal toxicity when amygdalin or laetrile is taken orally"
The common Almond Lemon Detox actually exposes you to Hydrogen Cyanide under various recipes if not treated correctly or not using the appropriate ingredients.
And as for killing Zanz. Like anyone would ever not use a Purple Nymph once they had it. Mine is a reg part of my deck. I feel sorry for Zanz but its your fault fortune teller. :P
Best Fortune yet - Purple Nymph
"Your Touch will Cause Zanzarino's Head to explode. For our sake don't use it"
(http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2707.0;attach=884;image)
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Nymph trading station? Say you need an Auburn Nymph, but get a Turquise Nymph? What then?
sell them, there worth 900 elec, and hope you get what u need:P
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Nymph trading station? Say you need an Auburn Nymph, but get a Turquise Nymph? What then?
sell them, there worth 900 elec, and hope you get what u need:P
Or don't sell it because on average it will take you 144 days to get another one. So if you can get 909 electrum in 144 days, it's probably a better idea to keep it in case you want it in the future :).
In the future....
I REALLY wanna make this awesome aether deck that uses those aether nymphs. But I still need one more! Ugh, I WISH I had never sold that first one I got!
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lol i got a grey nymph and 1200 elec.... two upgrades :P in gotten all nymphs EXCEPT the one i need. lol.
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Nymphs being unwinnable in slots is just insane.
I haven't won a single one yet and I use the Oracle every day. My friend who started to play much later already has four on his main account and another three on his secondary.
No matter how hard it is to obtain a card it should be possible if the player spends enough effort. Having to WAIT a year or more just to win the one you actually need is stupid, and I didn't even mention what if you need more than one in the same in the deck? Besides if you aren't lucky, with an 1:144 chance, you might as well forget about starting to "collect" them. You might not even live long enough to win six of the same nymph...that is if you are still playing the game then...which isn't too likely. 12 of each of them, to also have upgraded an unupgraded ones is...something none of us will live long enough to have.
Having no Nymphs on my 61000 score account while people with 2000 score often have 2-3 of them is just unfair. This is a strategic card game (with a bit too much grinding), and not a lottery game of "who wins a nymph first".
At least none of the nymphs are game-breaking. If a card with the strength of something like hourglass, sundial or phase shield would be Oracle only, that would be the end of the game.
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I havnt won a nymph in a long time, i won one the first day but havnt since
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Nymphs being unwinnable in slots is just insane.
I haven't won a single one yet and I use the Oracle every day. My friend who started to play much later already has four on his main account and another three on his secondary.
No matter how hard it is to obtain a card it should be possible if the player spends enough effort. Having to WAIT a year or more just to win the one you actually need is stupid, and I didn't even mention what if you need more than one in the same in the deck? Besides if you aren't lucky, with an 1:144 chance, you might as well forget about starting to "collect" them. You might not even live long enough to win six of the same nymph...that is if you are still playing the game then...which isn't too likely. 12 of each of them, to also have upgraded an unupgraded ones is...something none of us will live long enough to have.
I agree that it really blows. A step towards random gambling and away from fair strategic gameplay.
However there is one very hard way to obtain those nymphs open to about anyone:
Play the tourneys and win them and you might get lucky.
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Having no Nymphs on my 61000 score account while people with 2000 score often have 2-3 of them is just unfair.
This is the part where somebody replies "Life is unfair."
This is a strategic card game (with a bit too much grinding), and not a lottery game of "who wins a nymph first".
At least none of the nymphs are game-breaking.
Agreed. The nymphs are not game-breaking and are really more of a novelty since you can buy any of their abilities as a spell card. It's nice to have one and it'd be nicer to have more, but how many anti-FG decks or T50 decks do you see out there?
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another spin.... another not nymph
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I also think they could be easier to get. I use the oracle everyday for like 2 months now, and I got 3 Nymphs: air, fire and water. I think the oracle is a fine thing, but there could be another easier ways.
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There is an easier way to get nymphs. It's called Nymph's Tears.
However there is one very hard way to obtain those nymphs open to about anyone:
Play the tourneys and win them and you might get lucky.
If you win a tourney you're guaranteed a nymph of your choice (assuming it was one of the weekly tourneys and there were 8+ participants).
No need to be lucky once you've won.
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Put an "Enter a tournament" button into the game then, that works 24/7 like PVP.
At the moment tournaments are exclusive to people who read the forums, post, and are willing to go as far as to sign up in advance...and even for those only once a week.
There is an easier way to get nymphs. It's called Nymph's Tears.
Can I play that on the manage deck screen to turn my pillars to nymphs permanently? No? Then there isn't. I assume you intended this as a joke.
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My score is around 140k and I have only 1 nymph, auburn, and I spin every day. It's all luck, don't get your panties in a bundle and just deal with it. As was said before nymphs aren't even that amazing in decks, yea they can be helpful but they're not all that game breaking. Just live with it, if you spin one you spin one and if not you don't.
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There is an easier way to get nymphs. It's called Nymph's Tears.
Can I play that on the manage deck screen to turn my pillars to nymphs permanently? No? Then there isn't. I assume you intended this as a joke.
Beyond the fact you need use water in your deck to use Tears.
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Agreed. The nymphs are not game-breaking and are really more of a novelty since you can buy any of their abilities as a spell card. It's nice to have one and it'd be nicer to have more, but how many anti-FG decks or T50 decks do you see out there?
I actually find it a luxury to have "novelty" cards that aren't used in any decks in a card game with only 10-12 cards per element.
That's like saying
"yeah we know the game needs at least 3-5 times as many cards as soon as possible, but look, now we'll add 12 new cards, which is 10% of all the cards in the game, and we'll make them both unobtainable in the game normally, and also not too useful otherwise the rarity might become a problem...that's it for new cards this time guys, but look, we got 5 more false gods added to make the game even harder. Good luck! What? You want to change your account's password? We won't implement such an advanced feature this fast, the game has only been around for a year, you know, no need to hurry..., we'll add new features later, don't worry we made grinding hard and slow enough so you will have stuff to do until that happens hehehe >:D"
I know this is not what the developer intends, but it is what the players, including myself, experience, and that will be very bad for the game on long term. Anyone who has anything else to play or do just quits after he realizes how boring and frustrating the game became.
I seriously consider just giving up and replaying some yugioh game instead. Even that is more interesting, and fun than this.
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I finally got me a nymph about 2 weeks ago from the oracle. She is the :death nymph. I am still hoping and wishing for the :gravity nymph. :)
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I finally got me a nymph about 2 weeks ago from the oracle. She is the :death nymph. I am still hoping and wishing for the :gravity nymph. :)
Stymie you only have one like me?
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I still have 0 nymps. :sadface:
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I have gotten a few nymphs but never the one i need, im still waiting for that life nymph......
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I have gotten a few nymphs but never the one i need, im still waiting for that life nymph......
I've spun 4 life nymph but waiting for a Death Nymph
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Lol, I envy you Kael ... with such a nice crew you can at least build a deck that revolves around nymphs, even if it is not of your chosen colour.
I have the complete collection of lame ducks here ... single of which each is on top of that:
1 Golden Nymph
1 Light Nymph
1 Earth Nymph
1 Aether Nymph
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I'm starting to hate the Oracle.
Not only have I not gained a SINGLE nymph, I haven't gained a SINGLE card for that matter.
I just want a nymph :<
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1 Golden Nymph
1 Light Nymph
1 Earth Nymph
1 Aether Nymph
I just finally spun my 2nd Nymph today - so now I have 1 Light and 1 Death. :)
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I've been pretty lucky: 5 nymphs in a short amount of time too.
Golden
Green
Purple
Auburn
and the (gravity one)
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I actually find it a luxury to have "novelty" cards that aren't used in any decks in a card game with only 10-12 cards per element.
That's like saying
"yeah we know the game needs at least 3-5 times as many cards as soon as possible, but look, now we'll add 12 new cards, which is 10% of all the cards in the game, and we'll make them both unobtainable in the game normally, and also not too useful otherwise the rarity might become a problem...that's it for new cards this time guys
Somehow I find nymphs pretty common in battles, at least mutation/fate egg ones, so it's not like the addition of nymphs did not change the game, and as far as I've seen many people requested some rare/collectible cards that would be rarer than rare weapons. Also nymphs did not require that much work from Zanz I guess, because they use alchemy spells as their abilities. Adding cards like flooding and fractal probably required much more work per card added than nymphs.
Also you mentioned grinding being hard and slow... somehow I see only changes that speed up grinding like 5 coins for first two cards matching, new AI3s who offer really useful rares (and I don't find them harder, at least with unupped graboid rush)... the next version will have animations removed in low quality...
On the other hand new False Gods like Osiris and Neptune, both quite easy to beat and Osiris is almost a perfect farm with a huge probability to win cards.
I mean I see your point that some people might see many negatives, but I don't know why they overlook the positives.
As a side note, I finally got my first nymph a few days ago, after clicking the oracle daily since I joined over 2 months ago... and I'll keep it secret which one, but suffice to say it's of my second most favorite element after :time
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:time
:gravity
Hopefully more in the next few weeks :)
So it's a 1/144 chance for sure? Or is that some stat others have just been tossing out?
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:time
:gravity
Hopefully more in the next few weeks :)
So it's a 1/144 chance for sure? Or is that some stat others have just been tossing out?
its a 1/144 chance to get the one you need, a 12/144 chance to get a nymph, or something.
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How about a way to pay some electrum coins and u can change nymph element? :D
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One way to boost ad revenue. Each refresh gives you a new Mochi connection?
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No talking about possible exploiting.
Thanks.
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I'm starting to hate the Oracle.
Not only have I not gained a SINGLE nymph, I haven't gained a SINGLE card for that matter.
I just want a nymph :<
Ok, I don't feel so bad now! I got a photon 6 weeks ago.
Not bad for plus or minus 60 spins!
I feel incredibly lucky and privileged. (only relative to Cynxos though)
Winning a photon is nothing to be sneezed at!
***But if that is so, why does looking at the sun make me sneeze sometimes?***
-KP
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Heh, I got 2 nymphs so far. Too bad not the ones I actually wanted :)
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I have gotten 4 nymphs so far, but I reseted my account, a while ago, so I have only 2 at the moment.
The first 2 were a :fire one, and a :entropy one, and now I have a :aether one and a :death one.
But I got the first two on two adjoining days, and the second 2 also.
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I have gotten 4 nymphs so far, but I reseted my account, a while ago, so I have only 2 at the moment.
The first 2 were a :fire one, and a :entropy one, and now I have a :aether one and a :death one.
But I got the first two on two adjoining days, and the second 2 also.
Hope I get your luck. Just got a life nymph today.
Now I have: :water :fire :air :life
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You guys are so lucky.
I only have the :gravity and :entropy nymphs.
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I still only have :entropy and :fire, and :fire is the only one that I spun on the Oracle. I guess we drew the short straw.
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I still only have :entropy and :fire, and :fire is the only one that I spun. I guess we drew the short straw.
You can spin an win nymphs?
I thought they were relics...
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I clarified my post. :) Sorry for being ambiguous.
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Let's see...
Gravity
Entropy
Air x2
Light x2
Water
Earth
Aether
Did I get the long end of the stick?
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No. You kinda got the Golden Super Slurpee Straw.
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I need more nymph, i am running out of nymphs to try things on =(
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The Oracle hasn't given me anything but a dragonfly-pet and a deja-vu pet in more than a month. I log on every single day but the Oracle just gets cheaper and cheaper. I want Nymphs! >:(
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deal with it ive been spinning since it came out and ive only got 1 queen
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I want an entropy and death nymph most of all. Out of the 6 i already have
:gravity :gravity :death :aether :time :life I only have use of the two gravity ones as of now.
EDIT
Changed Light into Time.
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Essense, I LOVE the fortune for the skeleton. I've been upgrading my decks element by element, and I'm almost done with :death now... except for the skeletons. I've upgraded 3 and the whole time I'm thinking, "This is such a worthless way to spend 1500 electrum." And then today's fortune...
Skeleton - "Some things truly are worthless. Today might be one of those things."
How fitting.
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I forgot the oracle yesterday...
Today I spun a :death nymph though, so I guess that makes up for it :D
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Probably spun the darn thing 100 times, and no nymph for me :(
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I just have the :death nymph but it was long ago.
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I've been getting luck recently last week got a :water and a :light one.
now have
:gravity :light :time :water
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OMG!! Got me first nymph maties :D :death: :D anyways, about time:)
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:entropy Purple Nymph
:earth Auburn Nymph
:water Nymph Queen
:air Blue Nymph
:time Golden Nymph
:death Grey Nymph
:-)
And i already sold a Fire Nymph and another Purple Nymph while I was drunk. :))
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I've got Purple, Red, Black. I sold a nymph queen and light nymph.
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I've got Purple, Red, Black. I sold a nymph queen and light nymph.
So... jealous...
I have a :entropy nymph that I won on my second spin ever :)). I'm waiting, praying, and hoping for a :darkness nymph. It's all I want.. It's all I want.. It's all I want.. It's all I want.. It's all I want.. It's all I want..
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Today I got a Basilisk Blood as reward. Also got a Fire Spirit recently. Its just me or the Oracle has increased the chance of donating normal cards, and maybe reduced chance for nymphs?
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Today I got a Basilisk Blood as reward. Also got a Fire Spirit recently. Its just me or the Oracle has increased the chance of donating normal cards, and maybe reduced chance for nymphs?
I got a Quantum Pillar a while ago. Sad, huh?
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Today I got a Basilisk Blood as reward. Also got a Fire Spirit recently. Its just me or the Oracle has increased the chance of donating normal cards, and maybe reduced chance for nymphs?
I got a Quantum Pillar a while ago. Sad, huh?
I got an emerald pillar, at least your didn't make you think a life nymph was coming your way.
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He thought an other nymph was coming, that's much more harsh.
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He thought an other nymph was coming, that's much more harsh.
Yeh he thought he was going to get a limited edition card no-one else had seen :P
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He thought an other nymph was coming, that's much more harsh.
Yeh he thought he was going to get a limited edition card no-one else had seen :P
Exactly. You can see where his frustration lies. I'd be stoked when I saw it land on other.
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He thought an other nymph was coming, that's much more harsh.
Yeh he thought he was going to get a limited edition card no-one else had seen :P
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6047.msg68276#msg68276
A while ago I had an idea for an other nymph, but... it's true no-one had seen one because it has no art :P
Also I guess that idea is much less useful now with SoR soon to appear.
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Today I got a Basilisk Blood as reward. Also got a Fire Spirit recently. Its just me or the Oracle has increased the chance of donating normal cards, and maybe reduced chance for nymphs?
Either that, or people are reporting more often that they're getting normal items..
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I only won a grey nymph :(
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I did some
meth math and came up with these statistics
a rough chance of getting an nymph is 12/ 156 or 7% (total number of cards divided by total number of nymphs)
roughly it could also be read as 1/13 x 1/12 (12 is average number of cards in each element) = .6% chance of getting the nymph you want
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Just got another Red Nymph, the one of :fire
Now I have 2 of these.
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score! after weeks of nothing, finally an auburn nymph.
now i've got
1 :gravity
1 :earth
2 :life
1 :water
1 :air
was spinning for them every day, since release. these are really rare cards^^
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you are lucky y got only 2 ( :aether :air) nymphs in 4-5 months and y spin every day :(
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Love it x2
(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd65236/Skelly.jpg)
(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd65583/skelly2.jpg)
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haha - nice one ^^
I have only won 2 cards - both uber rubbish :|
where iz ma nymphz??!
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Puppychow or I may have the most nymphs from the oracle so far.. I've got
1 :entropy
1 :death
2 :life
2 :fire
1 :water
1 :light
1 :air
2 :time
Total of 11, 8 of 12 elements.
But honestly I use very few of them... and I don't have any Auburn or Gravity, which may be the best ones.
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Puppychow or I may have the most nymphs from the oracle so far.. I've got
1 :entropy
1 :death
2 :life
2 :fire
1 :water
1 :light
1 :air
2 :time
Total of 11, 8 of 12 elements.
But honestly I use very few of them... and I don't have any Auburn or Gravity, which may be the best ones.
I bet there are many members that would dispute you on that.
- There are the Cheaters who were using an exploit in the Connection process to get a full set. (now fixed)
- There are those that used math to break the flash randomizer. (now fixed sortof)
You may have the most Nymphs through fair use of the Oracle but definitely not the most Nymphs. I have more than what you have there. I also have 8 Aether Nymph from one week where the Oracle wheel was locked so everyday when I logged in I got the same prize. Somewhat wish it was a Gravity Nymph but you shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.
The Real Oracle prize is the Malignant Cell. No word if it was removed from the pick list but it was so rare there isn't much talk of it anyhow.
Edit - Checked my Current Card Vault. I've been using the Oracle since day 1 of the beta and if you ignore the game flaw that gave me 8 Aether Nymphs in a row its all honest.
Oracle has been running since Jan 30th if I recall correctly. So from 119 spins?
3 :entropy
3 :death
1 :gravity
1 :earth
3 :life
1 :fire
2 :water
3 :light
1 :air
1 :time
2 :darkness
9 :aether
(also thats an even spread at least 1 of each)
30 Total - 1 every 4 days.
22 Really - 1 every 5 days.
Using dragonhuman Math being normal is 1 every 12 days.
You're 1 in 11 days so your're above the curve but as with all things random It can swing stupidly. Probably someone with even more than I and Probably some people who have given up on the game because the still have none.
In general my luck is Std deviation or worse so I'm feeling a little Proud here.
As a Software Test Engineer, I would like to see the code, see what flaws that exist due to environmental twists. I've heard of Online poker programs giving predictable results during certain times of day due to frequency fluctuations in the power grid. Environmental flaws are likely to exist here too.
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So what you are really saying, Kael, is that you cheated. Well done, staff member.... ::)
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So what you are really saying, Kael, is that you cheated. Well done, staff member.... ::)
cue: "HHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXXX!!!!!"..... *whoosh* --- *smack* .... *kael's head breaks* ^^
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Kael that is INSANE!
I've been using the oracle every day since it came out and I have 2 nymphs, 1x Aether and 1x Water
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So what you are really saying, Kael, is that you cheated. Well done, staff member.... ::)
cue: "HHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXXX!!!!!"..... *whoosh* --- *smack* .... *kael's head breaks* ^^
Given the 9% stated odds, there is about a 1/5000 chance for someone to get 22 nymphs in 111 pulls. We have what, hundreds of members? So it's improbable that someone would have done this, but not impossible.
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So what you are really saying, Kael, is that you cheated. Well done, staff member.... ::)
cue: "HHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAXXX!!!!!"..... *whoosh* --- *smack* .... *kael's head breaks* ^^
Given the 9% stated odds, there is about a 1/5000 chance for someone to get 22 nymphs in 111 pulls. We have what, hundreds of members? So it's improbable that someone would have done this, but not impossible.
no - he was saying how the oracle was glitched and gave him the same nymph everday for 8 or 9 days before it was fixed -- so he really only won about 14
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Given the 9% stated odds
The true odds of getting a nymph are about 50% lower. If oracle picked a nymph for random card, it has 50% chance to "cheat" and try picking different card. This way nymphs are more rare than any other card. Judging by card counts from the trainer, quick math gives about 4% probability for getting a nymph, which is (or rather: "should be") on average 1 nymph per 25 days.
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Anyone else get undefined fortune for fractal?
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Given the 9% stated odds
The true odds of getting a nymph are about 50% lower. If oracle picked a nymph for random card, it has 50% chance to "cheat" and try picking different card. This way nymphs are more rare than any other card. Judging by card counts from the trainer, quick math gives about 4% probability for getting a nymph, which is (or rather: "should be") on average 1 nymph per 25 days.
Where'd this information come from? Also when was implemented from the first day or later on?
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Where'd this information come from? Also when was implemented from the first day or later on?
From an user, frustrated by not getting a single nymph for ages, who also happened to be a coder. Sorry for reverse engineering this bit, but I just had to know the true odds. I have no idea when it was implemented - it's there in 1.23, and I guess it was there from the start.
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Where'd this information come from? Also when was implemented from the first day or later on?
From an user, frustrated by not getting a single nymph for ages, who also happened to be a coder. Sorry for reverse engineering this bit, but I just had to know the true odds. I have no idea when it was implemented - it's there in 1.23, and I guess it was there from the start.
I cam up with some statistics also, here is where I posted my math and stuff
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7938.new.html#new
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Just started playing again last week, and I was quite surprised to find this interesting feature! The oracle definitely helps me financially on those days when I don't have time to play much.
Good addition for sure.
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I have never won a card. *sniff sniff*
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Anyone else get undefined fortune for fractal?
hey - don't know what anyone's doing about this but is still undefined.....
(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd70314/Fractal_Fortune.jpg) (http://imageplay.net/)
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Anyone else get undefined fortune for fractal?
hey - don't know what anyone's doing about this but is still undefined.....
(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd70314/Fractal_Fortune.jpg) (http://imageplay.net/)
Congrats. Your the first man to confuse the oracle.
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Anyone else get undefined fortune for fractal?
hey - don't know what anyone's doing about this but is still undefined.....
(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd70314/Fractal_Fortune.jpg) (http://imageplay.net/)
Congrats. Your the first man to confuse the oracle.
I did it before hand and it proves that the oracle for fractal hasn't been done seeing as two people saw it.
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sometimes i click spin and it spins.. sometimes i click spin and it just stops or flips the card where it is.. is this a glitch? and pppst i still have never won a nymph
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sometimes i click spin and it spins.. sometimes i click spin and it just stops or flips the card where it is.. is this a glitch? and pppst i still have never won a nymph
If the element it randomly chose is the current one and you where at the first half of that segment or was other, then it stops immediately and shows your card.
If you click the butto and the dial still keeps spinning as if you hadn't, then you moved the mouse off the edge of the button before releasing and it did not acknowledge the press. You can use this to make the nice chime sound over and over.
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You can use this to make the nice chime sound over and over.
How did you know how I spent my free time?
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You can use this to make the nice chime sound over and over.
How did you know how I spent my free time?
Creeping closer to Omniscience
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Got my 4th nymph ever today. Purple one, one i've been hoping for :D Been long enough since my last one!
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Hmm for what I readed, maybe I'm a "lucky" one
Actually I have ( Nymphs ):
:entropy
:death
:gravity
:earth :earth
:water
:air
:aether :aether
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Got my first nymph the other day ^_^ Darkness. I"m still not sure what the puppy can do as i'm hoping for life. but as I have been using darkness for steal I thought i'd pop it in to give it a whirl. Hasn't come up yet though :(
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today (02 July 2010) = first nymph day... white ( :light ) nymph!!
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today (02 July 2010) = first nymph day... white ( :light ) nymph!!
WHOA!! REALLY?! :o
I just got a :light nymph today too!! I'm using it in my RoL/Hope deck.
It's not my first nymph though.
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today (02 July 2010) = first nymph day... white ( :light ) nymph!!
WHOA!! REALLY?! :o
I just got a :light nymph today too!! I'm using it in my RoL/Hope deck.
It's not my first nymph though.
was it your first :light one?
I was going to use a RoL/Hope.... then I remembered I only have photon ¬.¬
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today (02 July 2010) = first nymph day... white ( :light ) nymph!!
WHOA!! REALLY?! :o
I just got a :light nymph today too!! I'm using it in my RoL/Hope deck.
It's not my first nymph though.
was it your first :light one?
I was going to use a RoL/Hope.... then I remembered I only have photon ¬.¬
Yeah, it was my first :light nymph.
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(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd72890/Oracle_Pillar.jpg) (http://imageplay.net/)
....not ¬.¬
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BEST...SPIN...AND...WIN...EVER!!!
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....not ¬.¬
Congratulations on winning a card. (And getting an easy false god to fight)
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BEST...SPIN...AND...WIN...EVER!!!
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Congratulations on winning a card. (And getting an easy false god to fight)
yer, but the biatch still beat me >_< XD
I got 1 pillar in draw, and it was not ugraded either, and all 5 dragons (cost 13) so I was screwed, managed to stall dim shields after I had ~20 HP and got him down, he miracled, got him down again, only to find the shield he played saved his life, he had 1 HP and so miracled again..... no more shields....end of my easy FG >_<
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....not ¬.¬
Wow, that's just pointless. Well, at least you get some money out of it XD
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Spins/ Tournaments are the only way to win Nymphs?
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Spins/ Tournaments are the only way to win Nymphs?
Yup. Have fun.
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i hit a handful of pillars from the oracle
once every 7 or so days i will hit a pillar :-\
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Man I've only ever won two cards and I've been spinning the oracle every day for at least 4-5 months now.
But I'm still happy that the second time I won a card it was a nymph. Maybe I'll win another soon LOL
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I hust got my 5th nymph now i have
:entropy
:entropy
:entropy
:entropy
:air
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genious
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ive had 3 nymphs this week is something going on i started with gravity nymph then antimatter nymph now a nymph queen
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luck luck luck luck
I´m trying to catch your luck :P
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luck luck luck luck
I´m trying to catch your luck :P
ive had 3 nymphs this week is something going on i started with gravity nymph then antimatter nymph now a nymph queen
BWA HA HA HA HA!!! I JUST ALMOST STOLE YOUR LUCK. unfortunetly I l;ost all of mine because i sold half the nymphs I ever got. :'(
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I had an idea tonight while overdosing on caffeine; Elements needs a way to distribute nymphs maintaining their rarity, and a way to reward players that is not based on grinding.
Somebody pour more coffee to zanzarino :)
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I had an idea tonight while overdosing on caffeine; Elements needs a way to distribute nymphs maintaining their rarity, and a way to reward players that is not based on grinding.
Somebody pour more coffee to zanzarino :)
Because that quote is NOT over 1 year old.
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Hmm 2nd nymph this week after almost 4 months of drought. Still only luck?
PS. 3rd blue... >:D
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Free nymphs? big +1 from me.
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I don't feel as though you win a card often enough. The ratio should be higher.
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I like the idea, but the reality sucks. It took me almost a year to win my first upgraded card. Now maybe twice a week I win a non-upgraded card worth like 20. I would love a way to win upgraded cards without it taking me a month to win one (I don't have a lot of free time).
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just got 1 nymph so far in my 5 months of playing elements and i made an account for a friend and in the 1st oracle spin he wins a nymph(earth nymph)!
THAT SO NOT FAIR!! :'( >:(
and i reeeeeeaaaaalllllyyyy wish that all the rare cards the oracle gives , we should be able to get it(weapons , arctic squids , miracles , etc) {to keep the rare card count up too? ;D }
got many rares in the spins but the oracle didnt give the card! greedy bugger!
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The Oracle can be cruel. I have had 4 electrum only from the oracle for a whole week! >:(
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Anyone know what the actual odds of getting a card are? Not just a nymph, but in general. (Although if you know the nymph odds, that'd be cool, too.) I think I've only won 3-4 cards in my first couple months playing. Not complaining - just wondering.
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I somehow remember 10% .
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Alright. That sounds like a good/reasonable number for getting free cards. I must just be getting unlucky so far - because I'm somewhere around 2-5%. That just means I've got even more coming to me around the corner. Thanks.
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Anyone know what the actual odds of getting a card are? Not just a nymph, but in general. (Although if you know the nymph odds, that'd be cool, too.) I think I've only won 3-4 cards in my first couple months playing. Not complaining - just wondering.
card win rate is 10% IIRC. If the oracle spins a nymph, it has a 50% chance of re-spinning. So your chances of getting a specific nymph would be .5*1/(totalcardsingame). Nymph as the card guarantees you getting it though.
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Anyone know what the actual odds of getting a card are? Not just a nymph, but in general. (Although if you know the nymph odds, that'd be cool, too.) I think I've only won 3-4 cards in my first couple months playing. Not complaining - just wondering.
card win rate is 10% IIRC. If the oracle spins a nymph, it has a 50% chance of re-spinning. So your chances of getting a specific nymph would be .5*1/(totalcardsingame). Nymph as the card guarantees you getting it though.
Imagine the amount of rage that would occur if instead of respinning, 50% of the time you spin a nymph you just don't get it.
And I honestly think the non-nymph card win rate is lower than 10%. I've seen the 10% number thrown around, and yes, personal experience isn't good evidence, but still...
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The card I'm really hoping to spin is Malignant Cell. Imagine the sort of arena decks you could make :P
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Anyone know what the actual odds of getting a card are? Not just a nymph, but in general. (Although if you know the nymph odds, that'd be cool, too.) I think I've only won 3-4 cards in my first couple months playing. Not complaining - just wondering.
card win rate is 10% IIRC. If the oracle spins a nymph, it has a 50% chance of re-spinning. So your chances of getting a specific nymph would be .5*1/(totalcardsingame). Nymph as the card guarantees you getting it though.
I think I got 223 cards total in the game. So, does that make the odds of getting any nymph 12*.5*1/223? Because, if I did this right, that gives you just about a 2.7% chance of getting a nymph. Obviously I haven't been playing this nearly long enough to know if that sounds right or not.
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its also worth pointing out that with probabilities this low, the standard deviation will be pretty high. That means a given person could experience what seems like a much different rate over even a fairly large number of spins. I.e. just because the probability is 3% doesn't mean you'll get 3 in 100 spins... you might get none or you might get several. I haven't crunched the numbers specifically, but I think you would probably need to do a few thousand spins to really get a good window on the average...
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Well I average about 1 nymph per month, as I have been playing for 5ish months and have 5 nymphs :D
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Oddly enough, I got my first nymph ever today. So... moral of the story - ask about it in a forum thread, and ye shall receive.
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The game told me that Zanzarino's head should explode just about now.
Got the entropy nymph and I'm just three days into the game. :)
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The game told me that Zanzarino's head should explode just about now.
Got the entropy nymph and I'm just three days into the game. :)
*Envy*
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Anyone know what the actual odds of getting a card are? Not just a nymph, but in general. (Although if you know the nymph odds, that'd be cool, too.) I think I've only won 3-4 cards in my first couple months playing. Not complaining - just wondering.
card win rate is 10% IIRC. If the oracle spins a nymph, it has a 50% chance of re-spinning. So your chances of getting a specific nymph would be .5*1/(totalcardsingame). Nymph as the card guarantees you getting it though.
Nymph win rate is ~2.5%. I don't know about card win rate is supposed to be, but actual recorded win rate for a years worth of spins was nearly 14% (rate did not change significantly with >400 spins.)
>Click here for more (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23807.msg324912#msg324912)<
N.B.: Disregard stats on FGs--this was before they were always named.
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