Elements 1.32

[Drake_XIV]

Shard that arent in other breaks the hall theme.

Dont change it if possible, because there should be strategy between other and elements

How does it break the theme?

Personally, I like the change, although the added effects can probably be dropped now that they've been given an elemental cost.

[Chapuz]

Shard that arent in other breaks the hall theme.

Dont change it if possible, because there should be strategy between other and elements

Monos would be OP like that

SoFo was game breaking and the other ones are cheap...

[Calindu]

Shard that arent in other breaks the hall theme.

Dont change it if possible, because there should be strategy between other and elements

Monos would be OP like that

Uhm...myeah, like monos can't use shards if they belong to other.

I like the change, it will affect most of the decks in "Shards the Game" except maybe SoSe bows.

[Fippe94]

It affects SoSe bows too, since it will be harder to fuel your SoSes with your quantum pillars, so you can't spam SoSes since they require entropy only.

[Luminous]

You can use shards but with an elemental cost, you can also make a reward for quest, OTHER section would be nothing without them.

Basically, monos are meant to do things only related to their elements. Shards were belong to OTHER, not monos. Here's the theme-breaking.

[Chapuz]

I noticed:
1- SoP buff is applied BEFORE the creatures attack, so Spark and poisoned creatures (1 or 2 poison) don't die. Sparktal will now be -more- interesting.
2- SoP says "Creatures in flooded area gain +5/+5". That does NOT apply to Malignant Cell (it's well said in the OP). Tested with upped and unupped SoP.

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3- There is still a SoBr bug where you deckout if you had to end with 0 cards after using the shard.
4- Mono Death SoSa will still be strong, but mono *insert element here* with SoSa will be changed too little, with addition for SoSa cast. It needs to be 1-2 cost higher IMO-
5- SoSe wasn't that broken and SoSebows are pretty fun to play with and against to. Reduce cost to 1-2 please?

Will continue later

[moomoose]

agreed (with fippe) especially with the nature of SoSe being rainbow driven inherently.  so life and entropy shards taking some type of step back in theory, any others pop out (aside from gravity)?

[dragonsdemesne]

The thunderstorm change seems good; it was a rarely used card before, and this is a good way to buff it.  It compares fairly reasonably to pandemonium, rain of fire, and dry spell, and I can see it getting some use, now.

The shards change makes me a little nervous, but we'll see how that plays out.  In some cases it will be an enormous improvement, particularly shard of focus, but in others, it will make the card nigh unusable, while a few others will notice little to no change.

wisdom: basically no change, since you needed immortal creatures anyway.  Other than flying glories, doesn't really nerf any decks, and that deck can just play aether mark in that case

freedom: nerfs a few decks, but other than maybe immorush with seraphs/phoenixes and freedom, mostly just nerfs silly decks

darkness: Small nerf to a few decks, but most decks using shard of the void used darkness mark anyway to speed it up.  Only deck I can think of that this nerfs hard is my SS/miracle/purple nymph deck, and that's a very specific and rarely used deck anyway

death: Since shard of sacrifice costs 0, nothing changed with this shard, and it's one of the worst offenders of all the shards.  I'd probably recommend increasing the cost; even something like 3 should be good enough, preventing nova/SN abuse to play it.

earth: Shard of integrity was a fairly narrow card already, so it didn't see a lot of use.  With shards costing elemental quanta, I suspect this card will become pretty much unused, but I'll see if I can create something that still makes use of it.  The days of 6 nova/6 SoI/18 any shard will be done, and that's a good thing.  Decks using shard of integrity will probably have to be duos or trios, now.  For example, something like earth pends + fire mark + SoI + SoB + whatever for you golem.

entropy: Pretty small nerf, since you were likely to be using a rainbow and/or lots of entropy anyway.  It just means the SoSe will come down a turn or two later, which it probably would've anyway since you need to clear your hand to fill it up with that shard

fire: Prevents certain stupid OTK decks, which is a good thing.  This change should be good/mostly unnoticed.

gravity: GREAT!  Shard of focus will no longer roflstomp the meta.

life: Shard of gratitude will probably get very little use, even less so than now, especially as life has empathic bond already, but it will still have use in some creatureless decks that need healing

light: Probably a good change, but we'll see.  It should also increase the use of the heal card, which is a good thing.

time: Very good change; prevents a lot of really stupid OTK decks like instosis and mummy/rt/SoR decks, both of which are bad for the meta.  Probably one of the best changes, after shard of focus.

water: Not sure about this one; on the one hand, it's harder to play SoP, but on the other, it's much stronger.  Time will tell on this one.

I think any balance issues at this point should be solvable by simply adjusting the quanta costs on the cards.  Overall looks good; will playtest over holidays.


As an aside, any chance of future other cards, along the power levels of shield, short sword, etc?  I like other cards, and would be sad to see the 'other' tab of my collection so empty.

[Chapuz]

fire: Prevents certain stupid OTK decks, which is a good thing.  This change should be good/mostly unnoticed.

Dazzling Dolls is crying. I had so much fun with 4 TTW OTKs in PVP 2 against people who plays all the cards they can...

[willng3]

death: Since shard of sacrifice costs 0, nothing changed with this shard, and it's one of the worst offenders of all the shards.  I'd probably recommend increasing the cost; even something like 3 should be good enough, preventing nova/SN abuse to play it.

SoSa actually costs 1 now.  Nova/SN abuse is possible, but it's significantly less able to be abused than its previous form.

Otherwise, I pretty much agree with everything dragons wrote.

[Drake_XIV]

You can use shards but with an elemental cost, you can also make a reward for quest, OTHER section would be nothing without them.

Basically, monos are meant to do things only related to their elements. Shards were belong to OTHER, not monos. Here's the theme-breaking.

Other, in my opinion, shouldn't have been such a major section in a game dedicated to elemental affiliation.

What's wrong with changing the theme though?

[Luminous]

You can use shards but with an elemental cost, you can also make a reward for quest, OTHER section would be nothing without them.

Basically, monos are meant to do things only related to their elements. Shards were belong to OTHER, not monos. Here's the theme-breaking.

Other, in my opinion, shouldn't have been such a major section in a game dedicated to elemental affiliation.

What's wrong with changing the theme though?

Other than theme, will make games lot harder. Farming wont be an option. Even with shards, you need lotsa towers. Thats changing the whole system, and making it difficulter. Just change a few shards, specially sofo spams. Make sofo and sosac to be in monos, and others, let'em go.