Elements 1.32

[deidmann]

in 1.32, Id like to see a couple of basic Other Cards. A simple creature, possibly a 2|3, or 3|3 would be good. just a plain vanilla creature, with a slightly higher cost than normal. And a permanent. Just a basic permanent that did something useful, but not terribly powerful. With the shards going to their elements, a couple of Other Cards are in order.

it's a interesting idea but it's very hard to balance with cards like fractal and novas or in deck with cremations.

Can't be fractaled, or drains quanta if copied. Two possible ways to keep it in check.

[storyteller]

photon spark and upped gnome and damsel are free for cremations.

Life has cheap creatures, make the Other cards cost 1-2 quanta more and its fine. Almost every element has a mid range vanilla. Other should get one too. Even if its more than buying a creature from within the element.

some simple permanent, that is not terribly powerful, would be good. protect a creature or artifact until end of turn.. remove a poison counter, some such.. spend 2 quanta to heal 1 damage (repeatable) some simple thing.

Other should have a few very basic cards.

[Pineapple]

photon spark and upped gnome and damsel are free for cremations.

Life has cheap creatures, make the Other cards cost 1-2 quanta more and its fine. Almost every element has a mid range vanilla. Other should get one too. Even if its more than buying a creature from within the element.

I'm pretty sure you misunderstood Blacksmith. Let's say you make an Other creature that costs 5 quanta for 3|3. Two copies of these can be powered by a single nova, and 3 copies can be powered by a single immophoton. No deck would ever use this creature unless it is a rainbow deck.

[deidmann]

photon spark and upped gnome and damsel are free for cremations.

Life has cheap creatures, make the Other cards cost 1-2 quanta more and its fine. Almost every element has a mid range vanilla. Other should get one too. Even if its more than buying a creature from within the element.

No deck would ever use this creature unless it is a rainbow deck.

Maybe that's why it would be Other?

[storyteller]

well, sure. Lets go with the hypothetical "Quantum Beast" for 5  that is a 3|3

pretty much every element beats it in quanta to cost ratio, thus monos are in no danger of being outclassed. However, every element can use it, filling in as desired. In a fire deck, it provides a decent mid range hitter, and cleans up Immo scraps.. In life, it synergizes with Adrenaline. In Darkness, its decent to liquid shadow off a Nymph. It isnt weak to Maxwell, doesnt get blocked by the Gravity shield, survives Fire Buck etc. Its not great, and in most cases, i overshadowed by the Elemental creatures. Thus, it is exactly what it needs to be. An option, that provides simple stability without overpowering anything, but still offering some usefulness across the board. Like Long Sword. It has its specialized uses, but elemental weapons are generally 'better'.

[Pineapple]

well, sure. Lets go with the hypothetical "Quantum Beast" for 5  that is a 3|3

pretty much every element beats it in quanta to cost ratio, thus monos are in no danger of being outclassed. However, every element can use it, filling in as desired. In a fire deck, it provides a decent mid range hitter, and cleans up Immo scraps.. In life, it synergizes with Adrenaline. In Darkness, its decent to liquid shadow off a Nymph. It isnt weak to Maxwell, doesnt get blocked by the Gravity shield, survives Fire Buck etc. Its not great, and in most cases, i overshadowed by the Elemental creatures. Thus, it is exactly what it needs to be. An option, that provides simple stability without overpowering anything, but still offering some usefulness across the board. Like Long Sword. It has its specialized uses, but elemental weapons are generally 'better'.

Sorry, but a 5 cost 3|3 creature is overshadowed by elemental creatures in almost all cases where you're using a mono. In life, you can use Horned Frog. In Darkness, Minor Vampire. And why do we need Other creatures? Why should we have a 5 cost 3|3 creature when we could have an extra  3 (elemental) cost 3|3 creature in all 12 elements?

[The_Mormegil]

Nice change on the Phase Salvager. It's at least interesting. Makes for a good Water duo now, possibly too good but I'll leave it to people who can properly test the interactions.

Nice buff on Graviton Mercenary too. Interesting buff on Graviton Guard, not sure it needed it, but it's fun. Consistent 7 ttw huh? Still worse than fractix and even frogtal, but nice. Possibly a contender to Fracharge because of the little need for Gravity quanta.

[storyteller]

well, sure. Lets go with the hypothetical "Quantum Beast" for 5  that is a 3|3

pretty much every element beats it in quanta to cost ratio, thus monos are in no danger of being outclassed. However, every element can use it, filling in as desired. In a fire deck, it provides a decent mid range hitter, and cleans up Immo scraps.. In life, it synergizes with Adrenaline. In Darkness, its decent to liquid shadow off a Nymph. It isnt weak to Maxwell, doesnt get blocked by the Gravity shield, survives Fire Buck etc. Its not great, and in most cases, i overshadowed by the Elemental creatures. Thus, it is exactly what it needs to be. An option, that provides simple stability without overpowering anything, but still offering some usefulness across the board. Like Long Sword. It has its specialized uses, but elemental weapons are generally 'better'.

Sorry, but a 5 cost 3|3 creature is overshadowed by elemental creatures in almost all cases where you're using a mono. In life, you can use Horned Frog. In Darkness, Minor Vampire. And why do we need Other creatures? Why should we have a 5 cost 3|3 creature when we could have an extra  3 (elemental) cost 3|3 creature in all 12 elements?

we disagree.

why have all these elemental cards, when a nice other fills in. Im not saying these are the best numbers per se, but in the end, an Other creature is warranted. Some simple permanent as well

[Shantu]

why have all these elemental cards, when a nice other fills in. Im not saying these are the best numbers per se, but in the end, an Other creature is warranted. Some simple permanent as well

I thought this was Elements the game. Maybe that's why.

[storyteller]

why have all these elemental cards, when a nice other fills in. Im not saying these are the best numbers per se, but in the end, an Other creature is warranted. Some simple permanent as well

I thought this was Elements the game. Maybe that's why.

you miss the point. witty statement, but out of context.

[TheAccuso]

In a simplistic way one can say that the category others is there to help the elements be completed and to give them something that is 100% shared and equal among them, something over the synergies, something that surely is needed but is not the central point of the concept, therefore the community clearly prefer to see primary things keep going and then the coadjuvant part after.

[storyteller]

In a simplistic way one can say that the category others is there to help the elements be completed and to give them something that is 100% shared and equal among them, something over the synergies, something that surely is needed but is not the central point of the concept, therefore the community clearly prefer to see primary things keep going and then the coadjuvant part after.

ok.