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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg503466#msg503466
« Reply #480 on: May 25, 2012, 03:33:13 am »
Does anyone else think the new Colossal Dragon looks like a cross between a bat and a cat? All the other art is great.
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/255/e/b/bat_cat_by_neoslashott-d49iof2.swf ?

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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg503499#msg503499
« Reply #481 on: May 25, 2012, 05:06:28 am »
Zanz. Water needs desperately some way to deal with Dimensional Shield efficiently.

45 have been used against Water in 24 war games (if I didn't miss more).

Please.

As I think has been said before, balancing or justfying things based on war or whatnot is not really appropriate, because there are far more people who do not play competitivly than those who do. There will be many who don't care about war or Team Water's struggle.



That being said, I do believe, on a basis of the actual game, there needs to be a few more PC cards.  :darkness, :entropy:earth:gravity, :water and maybe :death are not in desperate need,  :aether is the source of most troubles, so I believe  :air, :life, or :light should gain something of the sort.
A step in the right direction would be to allow Chaos Seed to be able to target the opponent's (and yours as well) health. We can freeze the opponent's weapon, so why not (maybe) lobo?
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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg503502#msg503502
« Reply #482 on: May 25, 2012, 05:16:13 am »
Zanz. Water needs desperately some way to deal with Dimensional Shield efficiently.

45 have been used against Water in 24 war games (if I didn't miss more).

Please.

As I think has been said before, balancing or justfying things based on war or whatnot is not really appropriate, because there are far more people who do not play competitivly than those who do. There will be many who don't care about war or Team Water's struggle.



That being said, I do believe, on a basis of the actual game, there needs to be a few more PC cards.  :darkness, :entropy:earth:gravity:water and maybe :death are not in desperate need,  :aether is the source of most troubles, so I believe  :air, :entropy:life, or :light gain something of the sort.
A step in the right direction would be to allow Chaos Seed to be able to target the opponent's (and yours as well) health. We can freeze the opponent's weapon, so why not (maybe) lobo?

I do believe torb has neglected :entropy 's BE?
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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg503522#msg503522
« Reply #483 on: May 25, 2012, 06:54:56 am »
More PC to the game or not or whatever, the first step has to be to nerf the freaking Dim Shield, lol. The card is just way ahead of the curve for permanents, there's no realistic way of rebalancing it just with the introduction of other cards.

This might just be the case. While this is not true of the normal PvP settings, in War, I often classify opposing decks as with Dim (and Gravity Shield) or without Dim. While Gravity Shield is not so common for good reasons, the same can't be said about Dims.
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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg503638#msg503638
« Reply #484 on: May 25, 2012, 01:32:24 pm »
If there's an element other than :water that needs to have a Dim Shield counter it is :life.

Also, while there may be people who do not care about war, the elements have to be balanced, don't you think so?
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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg503657#msg503657
« Reply #485 on: May 25, 2012, 02:23:43 pm »
If there's an element other than :water that needs to have a Dim Shield counter it is :life.

Also, while there may be people who do not care about war, the elements have to be balanced, don't you think so?
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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg503667#msg503667
« Reply #486 on: May 25, 2012, 02:40:02 pm »
That's not possible. If an element is a strong mono, it automatically means it has certain strengths. Those strengths can always be put into a duo/trio/rainbow, etc. and bring along the best of the element. Since no element has everything, using strengths to complement components in a deck will always yield a stronger deck for a certain purpose.

As for balance, I like it, but complete balance is not a must for a card game. There will always be some elements that are a bit stronger at the moment. This top will usually change depending on released cards and currently strong strategies in the metagame. The source of a player's frustration with the balance regarding this game stems from the fact that change is slow.

If mixing elements was allowed and not heavily restricted (or at all) in events, balance between elements would only matter for flavour. Of course, a lot of events are based on flavour and thematics. It's up to us as players and organizers to balance the events, and I think the developer's role would be to make sure certain -cards- are not overpowered rather than certain -elements-.
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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg503736#msg503736
« Reply #487 on: May 25, 2012, 05:07:43 pm »
That's not possible. If an element is a strong mono, it automatically means it has certain strengths. Those strengths can always be put into a duo/trio/rainbow, etc. and bring along the best of the element. Since no element has everything, using strengths to complement components in a deck will always yield a stronger deck for a certain purpose.

As for balance, I like it, but complete balance is not a must for a card game. There will always be some elements that are a bit stronger at the moment. This top will usually change depending on released cards and currently strong strategies in the metagame. The source of a player's frustration with the balance regarding this game stems from the fact that change is slow.

If mixing elements was allowed and not heavily restricted (or at all) in events, balance between elements would only matter for flavour. Of course, a lot of events are based on flavour and thematics. It's up to us as players and organizers to balance the events, and I think the developer's role would be to make sure certain -cards- are not overpowered rather than certain -elements-.

Elements however has a strong theme in, well, the twelve elements. Unlike Magic, where the colors are mixed together in certain new ways in virtually every edition of the game, elements hasn't got multi-element cards, further strengthening this theme. The pillars themselves suggest using three types of decks: mono, duo and rainbow. Balancing these decktypes should be a (thematic) priority, in my opinion, and it includes balancing the elements themselves.
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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg503744#msg503744
« Reply #488 on: May 25, 2012, 05:17:54 pm »
i for one, would love to see cards that would mix elements the same way MtG does, making hybrid cards that were a mix of 2 elements, meaning they could be paid off using for example,  :life and/or  :aether

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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg503758#msg503758
« Reply #489 on: May 25, 2012, 05:55:49 pm »
Some combinations of hybrids are difficult to thematically put together.
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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg503774#msg503774
« Reply #490 on: May 25, 2012, 07:06:47 pm »
Some combinations of hybrids are difficult to thematically put together.

and impossible when you factor in that the current game code just doesnt allow it
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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg503806#msg503806
« Reply #491 on: May 25, 2012, 08:40:26 pm »
Some combinations of hybrids are difficult to thematically put together.

and impossible when you factor in that the current game code just doesnt allow it

And IIRC Zanz shot down the idea already.
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