Elements 1.31

[BluePriest]

I got an idea! Its GENIUS! 3 Steps only.

Spoiler for Hidden:

realize zanz understand that many people dont like the oracle being the only way of getting nymphs and get over it (or at least stop spamming this thread with QQs about it).
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Profit

[RRQJ]

As for the issue, I already posted a quote a few pages back, but it would appear that zanz intends on increasing this particular "luck" factor.  Saying that "increasing luck is bad" and explaining why the nymph buff increases luck won't do anything.  Anyone who opposes this buff because "it increases luck" will need to explain (to zanz) why increasing luck is bad, and probably more specifically, why they think the amount of luck generated from this is significant compared to the luck already involved in the game.

If Zanz does plan on increasing the chances to get a nymph, either at the oracle, or by giving ways to earn them, I wouldn't mind the nymph changes nearly so much, although I've seen no evidence Zanz plans to do this, unless it will be incorporated into the trials he posted about a few months back.  I still think the earth, and to a lesser degree, the light and water nymphs got buffed too much, but I can't offer any solid proof beyond 18 years of CCG experience.  (and I could be just making that up, though I'm not :p)

"Nymphs are too rare; they shouldn't be buffed" is purely an opinion/preference.  From zanz's perspective, it holds zero weight.  All I'm saying is that you'll either have to accept it (even if you don't like it) or come up with a more objective argument if you want to convince zanz that your way is better.

And I don't see how the light and water nymphs got buffed too much (arguments can be made for earth).  I don't have 18 years of experience, but I'm not just going to accept that as proof.  Based on zanz's last post, he probably won't either.

[UndeadSpider1990]

Nooooo don't change the pufferfish, he is adorable!! I feel like my beautiful cute Squirtle just evolved into that dorky, no-longer cute Wartortle

*Edit* On a more serious note, this new picture (while being lovely) does not look like a pufferfish! Maybe it looks a bit more like a toadfish though, whatever that is =)

I still think the earth, and to a lesser degree, the light and water nymphs got buffed too much

--- "Nymphs are too rare; they shouldn't be buffed"

I could be mistaken but isn't White Nymph kind of crap? I can at least see a purpose for the Auburn Nymph as it is, even though no-one has enough to really build a deck -around- them. But whenever I've tried to use the White Nymph, I always think he's just too weak on attack to be so expensive.

[furballdn]

White nymph is female, and yes, it was sort of useless. You paid a big investment of and then 4 per turn for 10hp healing. Also, edit instead of double posting.

[Drake_XIV]

I still think the earth, and to a lesser degree, the light and water nymphs got buffed too much

--- "Nymphs are too rare; they shouldn't be buffed"

I could be mistaken but isn't White Nymph kind of crap? I can at least see a purpose for the Auburn Nymph as it is, even though no-one has enough to really build a deck -around- them. But whenever I've tried to use the White Nymph, I always think he's just too weak on attack to be so expensive.

Light Nymph got buffed to 6/9.  And it still heals 10 HP with Luciferin.

[Jenkar]

I got an idea! Its GENIUS! 3 Steps only.

Spoiler for Hidden:

realize zanz understand that many people dont like the oracle being the only way of getting nymphs and get over it (or at least stop spamming this thread with QQs about it).
???
Profit

I like how spam = one post.

[Xanins]

Shard of focus HP reduced to 1
Shard of focus turns into a black hole when HP>45
Upgraded shard of focus cost increased to 6
Upgraded shard of focus generates upgraded black holes
- Shard of focus turns into a black hole only when the accretion skill is activated

Okay, so, after searching the topic for info about SoF, I didn't find what I was looking for. So, here are my questions:

-Does SoF gain HP and become a BH right when you click on it, or can you click it, cancel the skill, and still gain HP, or does only using the skill (destroying something) cause SoF to gain HP and then turn into a BH?
-If SoF only turns into a BH upon the activation of its skill, does that mean that HP boosting spells can't kill it?..

[Jenkar]

Shard of focus HP reduced to 1
Shard of focus turns into a black hole when HP>45
Upgraded shard of focus cost increased to 6
Upgraded shard of focus generates upgraded black holes
- Shard of focus turns into a black hole only when the accretion skill is activated

Okay, so, after searching the topic for info about SoF, I didn't find what I was looking for. So, here are my questions:

-Does SoF gain HP and become a BH right when you click on it, or can you click it, cancel the skill, and still gain HP, or does only using the skill (destroying something) cause SoF to gain HP and then turn into a BH?

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-If SoF only turns into a BH upon the activation of its skill, does that mean that HP boosting spells can't kill it?..

Yes, however hp boosting spells can reduce the number of activations that SoF can have (ie, if you play a Basilisk Blood on a SoF, it has 21HP. When it stops being delayed, it has 2 activations left (21+15 => 36, +15 = 51>45))

[BluePriest]

I got an idea! Its GENIUS! 3 Steps only.

Spoiler for Hidden:

realize zanz understand that many people dont like the oracle being the only way of getting nymphs and get over it (or at least stop spamming this thread with QQs about it).
???
Profit

I like how spam = one post.

Not referring to just you. A combination of different people doing it

[Jenkar]

Again, no. What're we're complaining about is *not* the rarity of nymphs, but the fact that if they become powerful the effects on unrestricted pvp would be unfair. I personnally am rather lucky with oracle spinning and agree that having rare cards that most people simply won't have all of is good for having not a copy paste effect, but the fact is that it is unfair in unrestricted pvp where a player with more nymphs is at an advantage over a player without by having more versatility, and that this advantage doesn't come by skill/grinding (grinding advantage being a very weak one in unrestricted, unupped pvp), but by pure luck.

TL;DR : we're not complaining about the way nymphs are gotten, but about the fact that there is a significant advantage by having them.

[RRQJ]

I understand that more versatility equals more advantage, but what's with "significant advantage" being constantly thrown around?  That's the one problem I have with the entire argument.  The buffed nymphs have, up until now, always been on the (very) weak side, so nobody can draw on any meaningful past experiences for support.  The closest you can come to is drawing on the experience from purple/amber nymphs, since these buffs appear to try and get all nymphs on a similar playing level to those two.  Yet, I don't recall any similar argument ever popping up for those two.

The way I see it, if the nymphs are OP, then the "significant advantage" would be fairly obvious.  If they aren't, then I don't see the "significant advantage," and I ask for an explanation from those who think otherwise.

[Jenkar]

The way I see it, if the nymphs are OP, then the "significant advantage" would be fairly obvious.

Nothing about the opness here. Versality, more options that are actually viable is a significant advantage. This is true for any card who is not up.