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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg494704#msg494704
« Reply #300 on: May 08, 2012, 03:13:23 am »
I know you've said before you want nymphs to be purely luck-based from the oracle, but it would be nice if there were a way to obtain them via a skill-based method.

Use Nymph Tears.
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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg494706#msg494706
« Reply #301 on: May 08, 2012, 03:14:11 am »
I know you've said before you want nymphs to be purely luck-based from the oracle, but it would be nice if there were a way to obtain them via a skill-based method.

Use Nymph Tears.
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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg494709#msg494709
« Reply #302 on: May 08, 2012, 03:17:41 am »
I know you've said before you want nymphs to be purely luck-based from the oracle, but it would be nice if there were a way to obtain them via a skill-based method.

Use Nymph Tears.

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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg494714#msg494714
« Reply #303 on: May 08, 2012, 03:22:07 am »
I know you've said before you want nymphs to be purely luck-based from the oracle, but it would be nice if there were a way to obtain them via a skill-based method.

Use Nymph Tears.

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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg494722#msg494722
« Reply #304 on: May 08, 2012, 03:35:24 am »
Use Nymph Tears.
I'm sorry zanz, but Nymph Tears is a weak card compared to the actual Nymphs themselves. Nymph Tears is not only less card-efficient for almost as much quanta, but it requires usage of water, one of the worse elements. This means that players that want to use a certain type of nymph will have to duo with water, which will result in a larger amount of unused quanta simply because the deck would be a duo instead of a mono. If someone wants to use a certain type of nymph with a duo in another element, they would have to make that deck a trio with nymphs tears. Trios are so unreliable that they are rarely used competitively outside of Nova, Immolation, and Animate Weapon. Nymph Tears is simply not practical at all compared to nymphs. It's not even close.

I would imagine that the average Elements player would be excited about these nymph buffs; they'll get to use their nymphs in more decks and their nymphs will be stronger. But from a competitive player's viewpoint, these nymph buffs are causing harm to PvP. I realize that you can not please everyone, but hopefully the nymphs will be less overpowered in the end. Personally, I predict that the Earth and Air nymphs will be far too powerful with their buffed stats.
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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg494723#msg494723
« Reply #305 on: May 08, 2012, 03:36:22 am »
Use Nymph Tears.
I'm sorry zanz, but Nymph Tears is a weak card compared to the actual Nymphs themselves. Nymph Tears is not only less card-efficient for almost as much quanta, but it requires usage of water, one of the worse elements. This means that players that want to use a certain type of nymph will have to duo with water, which will result in a larger amount of unused quanta simply because the deck would be a duo instead of a mono. If someone wants to use a certain type of nymph with a duo in another element, they would have to make that deck a trio with nymphs tears. Trios are so unreliable that they are rarely used competitively outside of Nova, Immolation, and Animate Weapon. Nymph Tears is simply not practical at all compared to nymphs. It's not even close.

I would imagine that the average Elements player would be excited about these nymph buffs; they'll get to use their nymphs in more decks and their nymphs will be stronger. But from a competitive player's viewpoint, these nymph buffs are causing harm to PvP. I realize that you can not please everyone, but hopefully the nymphs will be less overpowered in the end. Personally, I predict that the Earth and Air nymphs will be far too powerful with their buffed stats.

Which is why he buffed Nymph Queen (?)

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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg494736#msg494736
« Reply #306 on: May 08, 2012, 04:05:43 am »
Ironically, I wanted to make a nymph based deck for the renaissance competition called Mona Lisa because of Greco-Roman antiquity, and look what happened! Nymph buff! :P

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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg494741#msg494741
« Reply #307 on: May 08, 2012, 04:19:27 am »
I know you've said before you want nymphs to be purely luck-based from the oracle, but it would be nice if there were a way to obtain them via a skill-based method.

Use Nymph Tears.

This made me laugh too :)  However, I don't think buying nymph's tears in the bazaar counts as skill-based.

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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg494743#msg494743
« Reply #308 on: May 08, 2012, 04:23:32 am »
It's one thing to buy it, but another to be able to actually use it.

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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg494750#msg494750
« Reply #309 on: May 08, 2012, 04:42:10 am »
This is a list of what I suggest the stats be:

:rainbow : UnuppedStats/UppedStats AbilityCost
:aether : 7|4/8|4 3/3
:air : 3|5/5|5 3/3
:darkness : 3|5/5|5 2/2
:death : 5|6/6|7 1/1
:earth : 4|8/5|9 3/3
:entropy : 3|1/3|2 4/4
:fire : 1|6/1|7 3/3
:gravity : 1|3/1|4 4/3
:life : 3|6/3|7 2/2
:light : 4|8/5|9 3/2
:time : 6|8/7|9 2/1
:water : 2|6/3|7 4/4

All cost 8 except :entropy. Entropy is special.

I realize I made some changes, and random stuff, and took some of the old ones. I did it that for the completeness. But it's my opinion on how the nymphs should be balanced more.
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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg494757#msg494757
« Reply #310 on: May 08, 2012, 04:50:02 am »
I love/hate seeing Zanz post.

Love that he posts.
Im OCD sometimes though.... and he has 1 too many time symbols on the top, and 1 too little on the top (in the area above his name). It annoys me every time i see it
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Re: Elements 1.31 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39146.msg494763#msg494763
« Reply #311 on: May 08, 2012, 04:54:22 am »
I love/hate seeing Zanz post.

Love that he posts.
Im OCD sometimes though.... and he has 1 too many time symbols on the top, and 1 too little on the top (in the area above his name). It annoys me every time i see it
For me, sometimes it's like that, sometimes it's not and balanced. huh. I expected you to make some comment on the nymph changes.

 

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