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Re: Elements 1.25 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10878.msg135832#msg135832
« Reply #84 on: August 11, 2010, 03:10:51 pm »
I spend a lot of time on Kongregate and developers seem to get asked questions and are given feedback and sometimes they respond sometimes they don't. There is no obligation for the developer to do so, but without us the consumer asking, how can they know that we'd like to know or how we feel?
You are talking about a different thing. I'm not saying we shouldn't give feedback. We have a forum section just for that purpose where I recommend everyone to post as much feedback as they want. The difference here is that you didn't give feedback, you demanded answers by calling out the lead developer.

Lets say I started a topic called "Zanz, why did you nerf SoG?! I demand an explanation!!". See how that kind of topic is calling out the developer because if he doesn't reply, it looks like he is avoiding the question. Of course your question is a very mild version of that, but the basic principle is the same: you didn't agree with the buff and you are demanding an explanation.

The correct way to give feedback on the game is to start a new topic in the "Suggestions and Feedback" area like everyone else. There you can explain in detail why you think that Puffer Fish shouldn't have been buffed. This way the developers can read it at their own time without the added pressure of having to reply and defend their actions.

As this is off-topic, any further discussion will be done using PM's or in the GMod area.

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Re: Elements 1.25 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10878.msg135836#msg135836
« Reply #85 on: August 11, 2010, 03:21:04 pm »
Go Puffer Fish!
This.

Water needed a small buff and this critter was never used, perfect buff candidate.  I personally love the buff.

Even more excited about the toadfish buff.  Unupped water had a few more struggles than upped water, and this helps greatly.

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Re: Elements 1.25 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10878.msg135837#msg135837
« Reply #86 on: August 11, 2010, 03:22:31 pm »
Kael, I'm quite certain the pufferfish was buffed due to the new scorpion cards. The life version has half the attack as the old puffer, but cost less than half to play. So buffing puffer was necessary for balance.
I Don't think it balances things.

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Re: Elements 1.25 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10878.msg135840#msg135840
« Reply #87 on: August 11, 2010, 03:30:07 pm »
I got excited when I saw nightfall was "fixed." I thought Zanz meant it stacks.  Sad day.

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Re: Elements 1.25 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10878.msg135847#msg135847
« Reply #88 on: August 11, 2010, 03:41:57 pm »
when is Elements 1.25 available ?

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Re: Elements 1.25 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10878.msg135855#msg135855
« Reply #89 on: August 11, 2010, 03:53:49 pm »
when is Elements 1.25 available ?
Assuming bug fixing doesn't screw up the entire game, the patch should be out within the week most likely.
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Re: Elements 1.25 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10878.msg135886#msg135886
« Reply #90 on: August 11, 2010, 04:21:52 pm »
Zanz doesn't have to explain his actions to us mortals. Would you ask God why he made trees? :)
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Re: Elements 1.25 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10878.msg135890#msg135890
« Reply #91 on: August 11, 2010, 04:30:31 pm »
About Puffer Fish.

Forest scorpion. Cost:3 stats 2/2, venom -      general comment: meh, maybe I'll use it.
Puffer Fish. Cost:5 stats 3/5, venom -     general comment: ruins ver 1.25

???

Why do I have the impression that the only reason comments are raised against the 3/5 puffer fish is because of the FG scorpio?
FG's are the very last reason used to determine balance. Scorpio might be replaced with another FG tomorrow, or its deck changed.

All the poison cards look quite balanced to me now, what really got a buff are the poison decks. Chrysaora was pretty much the only viable option until now, puffer fish was rarely used because it was simply worse than a simple unupgraded Chrysaora.


About Toadfish.

It is still 6/4 in the trainer, I just need to check a few things before I make it official

About Titan.
Test it before you jump to conclusions, I'll do the same. If Flying Titans are now useless we'll go back to 70hp. But we'll have to compromise and add exceptions with any new card that uses the HP stat for new effects if that is the case.

About Wyrm.
The skill cost in not going to simply go down to :air
It would otherwise be just a much better version of a Pegasus, that is already useful and perfectly balanced.
Pegasus. cost:4  stats 3/2  :air :dive
Wyrm. cost:4 stas 3/3  :air :dive
Better stats and just one element to use = why should I ever use a Pegasus again?

I like the fact that wyrm is different and heavy in air quanta use, its stats probably need to be adjusted to make it more efficient. But reducing the skill cost is too much.

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Re: Elements 1.25 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10878.msg135894#msg135894
« Reply #92 on: August 11, 2010, 04:36:10 pm »
FG's are the very last reason used to determine balance. Scorpio might be replaced with another FG tomorrow, or its deck changed.
^  This.   I say decrease the PF's HP to 4, but that is purely my opinion.  The 3 attack will actually make it used though.
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Re: Elements 1.25 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10878.msg135898#msg135898
« Reply #93 on: August 11, 2010, 04:38:54 pm »
Why do I have the impression that the only reason comments are raised against the 3/5 puffer fish is because of the FG scorpio?

That's the only reason I've heard people mention. I haven't really payed attention, but I think it's mostly just the inexperienced players saying that. I've thought pufferfish needed a buff for a long time, as well as the toadfish. I've never used either.

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Re: Elements 1.25 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10878.msg135912#msg135912
« Reply #94 on: August 11, 2010, 04:52:10 pm »
About Puffer Fish.

Forest scorpion. Cost:3 stats 2/2, venom -      general comment: meh, maybe I'll use it.
Puffer Fish. Cost:5 stats 3/5, venom -     general comment: ruins ver 1.25

???

Why do I have the impression that the only reason comments are raised against the 3/5 puffer fish is because of the FG scorpio?
FG's are the very last reason used to determine balance. Scorpio might be replaced with another FG tomorrow, or its deck changed.

All the poison cards look quite balanced to me now, what really got a buff are the poison decks. Chrysaora was pretty much the only viable option until now, puffer fish was rarely used because it was simply worse than a simple unupgraded Chrysaora.

I like Forest Scorpion. Its Meh quality is due to life already having a combat engine that is more effective as is currently is without the Scorpion. I can do more damage with an adrenalined frog than I can with an Adrenalined Scorpion.


As for Pufferfish, it on its own can now breach all shield except Diamond on its own and the poison will stack up without running the only cure purify. What can a time deck ever do to solve this situation? Second to its now shield breaking power, it has 5 hp requiring 2 cards in most situations just to deal with it and by then you've been poisoned considerably. You can't Eat it without first pumping the your Otyughs HP and then the Oty is poisoned, you can't Paradox it and if your opponent quints it, you're doomed to an inevitable death. This is my dislike of the pufferfish buff. If its hp was reduced to 2 then a solution can be used, just as you solve a chyrosara.


Regardless of my dislike of Pufferfish, thankyou for spending the time to explain it and Thanks again for the Game so far and Thanks for this new version to come.

Re: Elements 1.25 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10878.msg135915#msg135915
« Reply #95 on: August 11, 2010, 04:55:03 pm »
Zanzarino... guess what? I <3 your update.

 

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