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Re: Elements 1.21 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4066.msg39649#msg39649
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2010, 01:37:47 am »
The only thing I don't like is Graboids being nerfed. I guess we now have to find a new AI3 speed deck...
I think plastiqe's deck works pretty well:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1874.msg37724#msg37724
The the advent of Phoenix and Ashes, I think mono-fire will be faster than Graboids now. Which is a little sad but wholly unexpected. Why should earth be faster than offensive fire? :P

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Re: Elements 1.21 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4066.msg39657#msg39657
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2010, 01:51:33 am »
Man, I don't get why there is no love for mono life. It has been proven to be just as fast as the shrieker spam deck, and it is extremely easy/inexpensive to build.

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Re: Elements 1.21 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4066.msg39666#msg39666
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2010, 02:09:42 am »
Man, I don't get why there is no love for mono life. It has been proven to be just as fast as the shrieker spam deck, and it is extremely easy/inexpensive to build.
Too many people obsessed with mono-Earth imo. Both mono-Fire and mono-Life are faster yet many people still think mono-Earth is faster.

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Re: Elements 1.21 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4066.msg39684#msg39684
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2010, 02:33:06 am »
The only thing I don't like is Graboids being nerfed. I guess we now have to find a new AI3 speed deck...
I think plastiqe's deck works pretty well:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1874.msg37724#msg37724
"Deck approved by me" ;P

The only thing I don't like is Graboids being nerfed. I guess we now have to find a new AI3 speed deck...
There's always mono-Life and mono-Fire. May not be as fast, but both are still very good decks.
Not as fast? Fire is. ;)

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Re: Elements 1.21 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4066.msg39691#msg39691
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2010, 03:11:27 am »
I forgot to mention one important fact when I asked my question. Right now, what is the fastest unupgraded AI3 grinder? And preferably no rares required.
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Re: Elements 1.21 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4066.msg39694#msg39694
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2010, 03:20:24 am »
I think the fire one in post above yours. I got ~1win per 1-1,5 min with it.

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Re: Elements 1.21 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4066.msg39704#msg39704
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2010, 03:50:22 am »
I forgot to mention one important fact when I asked my question. Right now, what is the fastest unupgraded AI3 grinder? And preferably no rares required.
Right now, graboids and adrena-frogs are probably tied for fastest mono decks for lvl3, with no-land stompy (1 (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/No-Land_Stompy), 2 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1874.msg37724#msg37724)) probably being a bit quicker. Not sure where mono fire fits in.

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Re: Elements 1.21 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4066.msg39713#msg39713
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2010, 04:20:13 am »
Zanz didn't mention that fog shield is now 40% block as opposed to 30%. I'd pay 1 air quanta for that.

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Re: Elements 1.21 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4066.msg39782#msg39782
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2010, 01:52:15 pm »

Not sure I understand the nerf to Graboids.

Mono-life is just as fast AND has healing.
Mono-fire is just as fast AND has incredible permenant control.

The only thing Earth had going for it was graboids and they required 2 elements in order to play.

In fact, if you play Top50, you rarely come accross a deck using Graboids however, you WILL come across mono-Life and mono-Fire decks.   Further, those pure mono decks very often beat my upgraded Graboid deck.   

The only reason I use the Graboid deck is because it uses Mark of Time which synergizes with my Mark of Time Rainbow.   With this nerf, I'll just switch to the already superior mono-life or fire and just have to suck up the 100 electrum to switch marks.

This game suffers from a disturbing lack of deck diversity and this change will just make this worse. 




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Re: Elements 1.21 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4066.msg39788#msg39788
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2010, 02:08:36 pm »
The advantage of graboid decks is that they can stand up to otyghs better.  I don't think this made them overpowered but... on the bright side it'll make Rainbow weaker. 

Looking at these nurfs I think the 3rd hardest false god (as I rate them) will get quite the nuke and might even be beetable. 

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Re: Elements 1.21 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4066.msg39791#msg39791
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2010, 02:24:09 pm »
i like the new Thorn Shield for life :D

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Re: Elements 1.21 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=4066.msg39797#msg39797
« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2010, 03:21:36 pm »
I cant wait until this goes into beta so we can try it out.
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