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Re: A few details about T500 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27523.msg366698#msg366698
« Reply #576 on: July 15, 2011, 08:43:46 pm »
Bah.  Just build a weighted neural net and feed it every move every player performs for a year along with the conditions each move was made under.  It'll take a long time, but when it's ready, the new AI will beat <i>everyone!</i>
There is something called genetic algorithms, and although I don't know how exactly they could be implemented, that could also be an option (correct me if I'm wrong, I know~ 0 about programming).

On an unrelated note, the "extra upgraded cards" cheat/hack might be back, either that or a league's leader gets 100% free upgrades.
I know about programming, and belive me: Making an AI is damn difficult and has to be very well thought to make pretty easy a single simple vatiarion on it, that's why there are 1001 minor bugs constantly being corrected.

That's why i know that arrainging more or less the order of the cards of a deck would be absolutely useless and not effective at all to make a normal player notice it. I mean, playing 20 times against a simple deck like Eternal Phoenix or Akebono would make you think the games are pretty similar to each other.

About genetic algorithms, what they do is "mutate" something (for example the order of the cards in the deck) to something similar, considering little variations from the mutated object. It's hard coding and it is MUCH easier to make a simple random sort of the cards in the deck.

Hope this is usefull to you, i belive AI has a normal code which is only modified when someone want to make a specific change.
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Re: A few details about T500 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27523.msg367474#msg367474
« Reply #577 on: July 17, 2011, 06:28:32 pm »
I believe that there was a glitch -- Playing a Silver match, my opponent apparently started with 50 HP, and I gained 553 electrum and something like 600 score for winning.
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Re: A few details about T500 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27523.msg367477#msg367477
« Reply #578 on: July 17, 2011, 06:35:07 pm »
It just happened again -- Gained over 300 electrum for beating a Silver with 68 HP.
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Re: A few details about T500 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27523.msg367481#msg367481
« Reply #579 on: July 17, 2011, 06:45:56 pm »
Arena decks lose HP as they age and the highest ranked decks give more electrum and score than normal after a win. Neither of those are a glitch.
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Re: A few details about T500 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27523.msg367483#msg367483
« Reply #580 on: July 17, 2011, 06:47:08 pm »
To get into the top 10, you have to have had a deck up for many days (and get lucky with getting a lot of plays), so the top decks have often lost a lot of HP.
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Re: A few details about T500 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27523.msg367488#msg367488
« Reply #581 on: July 17, 2011, 07:08:00 pm »
I see, but it is a bit strange to be making over 100/game for beating a player with 1 HP (just gained 150ish for doing so).
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Re: A few details about T500 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27523.msg367505#msg367505
« Reply #582 on: July 17, 2011, 07:36:42 pm »
Do my 5 "Starting cards" ever change? I basically got screwed over with them because I don't have the money to up cards and the starting cards are Gravity :(

I mean, I could keep farming until I have enough to build an upped deck but is there any way to change the cards?
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Re: A few details about T500 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27523.msg367506#msg367506
« Reply #583 on: July 17, 2011, 07:37:40 pm »
Do my 5 "Starting cards" ever change? I basically got screwed over with them because I don't have the money to up cards and the starting cards are Gravity :(

I mean, I could keep farming until I have enough to build an upped deck but is there any way to change the cards?
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Re: A few details about T500 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27523.msg367512#msg367512
« Reply #584 on: July 17, 2011, 07:50:53 pm »
Ah, thanks. If I get a good card (say Nymph), and I don't visit the Oracle the next day, will my starting cards change anyway?
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Re: A few details about T500 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27523.msg367531#msg367531
« Reply #585 on: July 17, 2011, 08:35:18 pm »
Ah, thanks. If I get a good card (say Nymph), and I don't visit the Oracle the next day, will my starting cards change anyway?
You can keep using the same card for a few days(whether you visit the oracle or not) by just leaving the deck as it is or by using modify deck rather than build a new one.  However your deck will start losing hp every day.  For the first few days, this is barely noticeable but the amouint lost doubles each day, so by day 5-6 it starts getting to be quite a lot.  I would recommend changing your deck based on the following:
Day 1-2:  Only replace if your current card is bad and you get a better one to replace it
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Of course almost any card CAN probably be used effectively if you are good enough at deckbuilding and have the right supporting cards available, so which cards you consider good or bad will largely be determined by that.  I would say though that most nymphs probably won't actually be that great a card to use(though of course getting one means you have also won that nymph so I wouldn't complain about it either ;) ).  Having one or two nymphs in a deck is probably good but with a few possible exceptions, having 5 or 10 of them won't be nearly as good due to the high cost.

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Re: A few details about T500 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27523.msg367581#msg367581
« Reply #586 on: July 17, 2011, 10:57:11 pm »
Yeah, Hodari's 'schedule' of days is about how I have been doing things.  I don't know if nymphs are more likely now, but I've gotten two since the arena went live :)  The monofire deck I built around red nymph did pretty good (like 50-20 or so) but the monoentropy one I have up right now is a flop at 4-5; I think the AI is having trouble playing entropy, since it is a more difficult element to play right than fire.  (fire = dump hand, smash stuff, entropy = actual strategy)  Maybe it's all in the pillars; in fire I had a lot more upgraded towers, but in entropy I just had a few upped pendulums from a voodoo deck.

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Re: A few details about T500 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27523.msg367750#msg367750
« Reply #587 on: July 18, 2011, 07:46:44 am »
Yeah, Hodari's 'schedule' of days is about how I have been doing things.  I don't know if nymphs are more likely now, but I've gotten two since the arena went live :)
I've also gotten 2 nymphs since arena went live.  I thought I was just lucky, but it seems to me like they have become a more common oracle card.

Do you know if your arena deck continues to lose hp each day after day 6?

 

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