A few details about T500

[wavedash]

The reward for platinum just needs to be higher.  If the rewards are good enough, smart folk around here will find decks that get a decenty win rate eventually.

I don't know about this. The reason that people farm FGs and not Half-Bloods is the massively higher chance of getting an upgraded card. The chance of winning an upgraded card in Platinum, without simplistic decks like Decay and Eternal Phoenix, with rainbows all over the place, and with many decks not even completely upgraded, means you'll need the raw electrum reward to be huge (not to mention disproportionate to the amount of electrum you lose from losing).

[Hodari]

Something Im thinking about. If someone goes back to menu after looking at your deck, that person receive a loss, but does your deck receive a win? Earlier today I submited a deck with Hope as base card, and triple Aether mark that can scare a lot of people, lol. Like 10 hours later, just 8 games played, thats strange. Dunno about it, but should of course count as a victory to the deck if people refuse to play vs it.

I was wondering that as well. I'll usually play just about any deck at least once(though if I'm one win away from the bonus rare spin, I get a bit more selective ) but if I come across a deck again that I know I have almost no chance with, I'll probably just skip it.  CCYB doesn't have much chance against kirch's deck for example so unless I get an almost perfect draw and it gets nothing, it's just a waste of time. 

Even if this isn't a factor though in the win-loss records of decks, it seems like there may be some need for change in how it selects which deck you face as some decks seem to come up WAY more often than others.  My first deck only got about 7 games all day. The deck's ranking seems to be a big factor in this with the top decks getting far more games than lower ranking ones(biggest problem with this is if low-mid ranked decks don't get many games, they never have a chance to move up the rankings in the first place).  Even my current deck though which has been somewhere in the 16-20 ranked range for the last couple days seems to go several hours at times with no games at all.  Some of this may change once the beta is over and more people are playing when it's officially released, but I think this needs to be looked at.

  As for whether a deck should earn points if someone skips playing against it and just goes back to the menu, that could be a tough one to answer.  You could argue this means the person figures they don't have a chance of winning and are conceding defeat, thus the deck should earn the points for a win.  On the other hand, if you do that then once a deck reaches a certain point, it could easily start getting most of its wins that way rahter than actually beating people and thus making its win record even more intimidating for people, causing even more to just quit against it and so on.  This would make it hard to tell how good decks actually ARE.

[Hodari]

I don't know about this. The reason that people farm FGs and not Half-Bloods is the massively higher chance of getting an upgraded card. The chance of winning an upgraded card in Platinum, without simplistic decks like Decay and Eternal Phoenix, with rainbows all over the place, and with many decks not even completely upgraded, means you'll need the raw electrum reward to be huge (not to mention disproportionate to the amount of electrum you lose from losing).

There is no chance to win an upped card at all in Arena.  On the other hand, with all decks containing at least 5 copies of at least one card(and very likely several copies of 1-2 other cards to combo with that) you do have a fairly good chance to win cards from the spins, including rares.  That's not even counting the bonus spin where all you will get are rares...Ive probably won as many rares from normal spins as I have from the bonus ones though. 

  For platinum, the electrum reward ranges from 10 times the cost of playing for lower ranked decks, all the way up to 200 times that for an EM against the number 1 ranked deck, so I would say that part is unlikely to be increased much more(the dynamic reward system should take care of that if needed anyway, though we will have to wait and see how this works out when this moves out of beta).  If this is still not enough, than I'd say simply raising the amount of electrum given out isn't the answer.   Rather the reward will need to be something that can ONLY be obtained by playing arena such as new rares or even something like a spin with 5% chance to win a nymph if you can get a 10 game win streak on platinum(note that even with a 50% win rate, this would be a 1 in 1024 chance, so it would be rare enough that I'd say something like this would be balanced enough)  Other than this, balance changes to prevent some of the most powerful cards from being abused would a good idea but keep in mind that platinum, especially the top ranked decks there, should be a challenge for even the best players, for whom fg's have gotten boring.  Most of these players will probably already have 12 of all existing rares and a decent amount of electrum, so just throwing a bit more money into the reward doesn't seem like too much of a solution there.

[Gocubbies1212]

So it is impossible to win upgraded cards from spins in the arena?  also, what is the bonus spin everyone is talking about, and how do you get it? 
sorry for my ignorance.

[Hodari]

So it is impossible to win upgraded cards from spins in the arena?  also, what is the bonus spin everyone is talking about, and how do you get it? 
sorry for my ignorance.

Yes, you can only win unupped cards, including normal rares(not ultra-rares like nymphs).   The bonus spin is obtained by getting a long enough winning streak(3 games in platinum, 4 in gold, 5 in silver, 6 in bronze).  You get one initial spin and then can spin each reel individually, up to 3 times each.  Only rare cards are possible on these spins so you have a fairly high chance of winning one.

[Gocubbies1212]

So it is impossible to win upgraded cards from spins in the arena?  also, what is the bonus spin everyone is talking about, and how do you get it? 
sorry for my ignorance.

Yes, you can only win unupped cards, including normal rares(not ultra-rares like nymphs).   The bonus spin is obtained by getting a long enough winning streak(3 games in platinum, 4 in gold, 5 in silver, 6 in bronze).  You get one initial spin and then can spin each reel individually, up to 3 times each.  Only rare cards are possible on these spins so you have a fairly high chance of winning one.

oh ok.  i was wondering what those circles were...  lol  thanks for the help

[zanzarino]

New patch added:

Fixed a few bugs (thank you for the reports)
Added a few in-game explanations
Raised minimum deck size for arena to 35 cards
Gold and Platinum special spins are now giving upped rares

For the next patch:
A few cards might create exploits or obnoxious mechanics with the double draw/deck. I am against banning those cards from Arena decks, but I can modify the Arena AI adding some "guilt" when chaining more than 3 silences etc. What cards do you think should get a special AI treatment?

[jmdt]

New patch added:

Fixed a few bugs (thank you for the reports)
Added a few in-game explanations
Raised minimum deck size for arena to 35 cards
Gold and Platinum special spins are now giving upped rares

For the next patch:
A few cards might create exploits or obnoxious mechanics with the double draw/deck. I am against banning those cards from Arena decks, but I can modify the Arena AI adding some "guilt" when chaining more than 3 silences etc. What cards do you think should get a special AI treatment?

Silence
Nightmare
Earthquake
Black Hole
Stone Skin
Shard of Divinity
Fire bolt/lance

In about that order.

[TimerClock14]

Dim Shield
Flying Eternities
Wings Chaining

Just possiblities...

[jmdt]

Dim Shield
Flying Eternities
Wings Chaining

Just possiblities...

Dim shield and wings are not played in either the same or consecutive turns like say silence or stone skin.

[willng3]

I'd like to see SoG receive special treatment, but I don't believe it could be fixed the same way as others listed already.

[Hodari]

New patch added:

Fixed a few bugs (thank you for the reports)
Added a few in-game explanations
Raised minimum deck size for arena to 35 cards
Gold and Platinum special spins are now giving upped rares

For the next patch:
A few cards might create exploits or obnoxious mechanics with the double draw/deck. I am against banning those cards from Arena decks, but I can modify the Arena AI adding some "guilt" when chaining more than 3 silences etc. What cards do you think should get a special AI treatment?

Very nice
And yeah, no need to ban them altogether..at most either nerf them or restrict max number in a deck.  The "guilt" system could work as well though.
As for which cards:
Silence and Black Hole are probably top of the list here..both are ok if you at least have some chance to play cards in between(especially dropping a sanctuary) but if it chains them 10 turns in a row to start the game, there's nothing you can do
Poison
Explosion, Steal, and Earthquake
Nightmare

Basically denial in general seems to be the biggest issue.  Some more counters for poison might be good as well(or just go back to having upped version of purify cost 0 to play)