Post by: majofa on July 13, 2010, 07:17:53 pm
Lobotomize his Rays of Lights, so that he can't save up for Miracles or Blessing his creatures.
Fractal his Rays of Lights to provide your own Light quanta to fuel your Hope shield.
Then Fractal your own Dragons for the win. Be careful not to put out a Dragon too early, or he will Twin Universe it many, many times.
Post by: siriosirio on September 11, 2010, 11:19:27 am
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Post by: kobisjeruk on September 11, 2010, 12:48:42 pm
your decklist cost 78k+ electrum to build which might be a good anti Paradox but it is not accessible to newbies
this is more newbie-friendly anti-Paradox deck which is eerily similar to the famous RoL/Hope :-
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both which can be swapped for 3 more reverse time (to rewind buffed creature) but at least 1 eternity is good in case you cant combo off in time (refer to RoL/Hope combo for further detail)
heres the deck in action :-
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i foolishly miracled the turn i was about to fractal dragons for the win, which then means i got no :light for casting dragons but eternity saves the day as always (you dont even need eternity if you're careful not do such thing)
upgraded Holy Flash will ensure Elemental Mastery, combined with miracle but you dont even need miracle if you just plan on beating Paradox w/o EM which is why i dont include Holy Flash in the deck
Post by: kobisjeruk on September 29, 2010, 01:27:17 pm
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Post by: Ryli on October 07, 2010, 10:52:56 pm
If you can get 2 graveyards then you can skip the mirror shield if he plays it. Keep your wall strong because he will TU spam your vultures when they get big. Thunderstorm also kills off Miracles, as he will spend his reserves on blessings when RoLs die.
I DO NOT TAKE CREDIT FOR THIS DECK.
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Post by: johannhowitzer on November 10, 2010, 01:18:55 am
Post by: kobisjeruk on November 10, 2010, 06:39:59 am
Great deck... unless he doesn't play a freakin' Ray of Light, like during my game just now. :Pso uh, you got owned by a bunch of tutus? no shame in that i guess : P
Post by: twinsbuster on November 10, 2010, 06:54:55 am
fire bolt sudden killer with reflective shield.
Post by: chum3 on November 12, 2010, 02:03:15 am
Ya, again and again.I use this deck when I get Paradox. The good thing about it is that Paradox has creatures with small attack power (they get a lot bigger later on, but the starting creatures don't hit too hard), which means, sometimes, you can wait a little longer to put out a Dimensional Shield.
fire bolt sudden killer with reflective shield.
Post by: johannhowitzer on November 18, 2010, 04:13:05 pm
Post by: RavingRabbid on December 07, 2010, 09:04:27 am
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Post by: dspn23 on December 07, 2010, 06:33:02 pm
if well planed can get EM
do not fly an eternety if you dont need it or already draw every cards(he will probably PU it and have time to use it!!!)
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Post by: manaboy100 on January 01, 2011, 02:10:16 pm
The deck used:
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Post by: deluxeloy on January 08, 2011, 10:59:49 am
Oh LUL, he didn't summon any RoL until the end xD He took 7 turns to kill memark of light i guess?
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Post by: Ryli on January 08, 2011, 10:01:09 pm
It's a mark of water, if he had any intention of summoning his mind flayersOh LUL, he didn't summon any RoL until the end xD He took 7 turns to kill memark of light i guess?
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-3 Lightning +2 Electrocutor, a Fractal
Post by: kobisjeruk on January 24, 2011, 11:52:11 am
Oh LUL, he didn't summon any RoL until the end xD He took 7 turns to kill meelectrocuter is kinda redundant with 4 mind flayers
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-3 Lightning +2 Electrocutor, a Fractal
the reason i include mind flayers instead is to make it rare-less
lightning is there for buffed dejavus that hasnt been activated (paradox usually keep them for another blessing target) but if you got money to burn, this is a much more awesomer decklist :-
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Post by: Krahhl on January 24, 2011, 06:53:16 pm
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Post by: kobisjeruk on January 26, 2011, 07:16:25 am
i wouldnt advise using mono aether vs any other FGs (although there are some variation, some of those can be found in other anti-FG decks) but paradox is truly a cakewalk with this deck
Post by: kev on March 08, 2011, 02:53:38 pm
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Post by: kobisjeruk on March 09, 2011, 11:49:53 am
but paradox has the ability to turborush you if you let his RoLs go unchecked
its not a matter of letting him not get to 12 quanta for miracle, its more about denying him any light quanta for improved blessings...of which he has tons of
your anti-paradox has a lot of redundant cards...if you get a lot of hopes and fractal (and dragons) early, you wont get as many rols and he only need 2 rols to fuel a blessing
and if you cant stop blessing shenanigans...you're pretty much screwed
Post by: kev on March 09, 2011, 02:49:40 pm
lobo effect is not necessary, trueThose are both valid arguments and I didn't test either of the decks against Paradox over a significant sample. It was my experience that fractaling more RoLs to feed Hope is an okay option if he spams blessing, and in fact if he does it quickly the trio deck is too slow to cope anyway. Also too many redundant cards isn't frequently a problem in a deck with 17 pillars.
but paradox has the ability to turborush you if you let his RoLs go unchecked
its not a matter of letting him not get to 12 quanta for miracle, its more about denying him any light quanta for improved blessings...of which he has tons of
your anti-paradox has a lot of redundant cards...if you get a lot of hopes and fractal (and dragons) early, you wont get as many rols and he only need 2 rols to fuel a blessing
and if you cant stop blessing shenanigans...you're pretty much screwed
I'm okay agreeing to disagree. Neither deck is awful and neither is perfect. But I do like the duo better.
Post by: Krahhl on March 09, 2011, 11:30:10 pm
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on March 10, 2011, 12:35:05 am
Post by: Higurashi on April 04, 2011, 08:17:31 am
Worked swell when I drew my Fahren. My main concern is how often you're going to draw one in time. I drew it through half the deck, and I wasn't far from decking out. I guess I'd do -1 Rewind, +1 Fahren. Didn't seem to need Rewinds at all, but I see the emergency value in them.Code: [Select]6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dl 7dl 7dl 7dn 7dn 7do 7do 7n2 7q4 7q4 7q4 7q4 7q4 7q4save animate weap until you're going for the 1HKO
i wouldnt advise using mono aether vs any other FGsI'm guessing you mean monoaether isn't a generally advisable FG deck? Because it slaughters many other FG's when you know they're coming, such as Destiny and Neptune. With Lobo, you can add Osiris and Fire Queen to that list.
I agree Monoaether doesn't win enough to be advisable as your go-to FG deck (unupped), but it does work for raking in cash. As long as you're fine with skipping some, relatively slow games and a winrate of around 25-30%. Upped, it's one of the best.
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on April 04, 2011, 07:37:34 pm
Because it slaughters many other FG's when you know they're coming, such as Destiny and Neptune.Well Neptune has permafrost to counter all your immortal creatures... and usually against FG mono aether usually needs another element to support it, (Protect Artifacts, Deflags, etc.)
Post by: Higurashi on April 04, 2011, 08:22:45 pm
Post by: kobisjeruk on April 10, 2011, 12:37:03 am
similarly,
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i wouldnt advise using vulture+bonewall+thunderstorm vs any other FGswhen you know EP is coming, by all mean, please use vulture+bonewall+thunderstorm
just because you're currently representing the element Aether doesnt mean you have to be gung-ho about a statement i made 3 months ago? come on now
also, mono aether used to be the premier anti-FG deck in the early days when there was only a handful of them (i wasnt around back then but i read a lot that mention them) so mono aether USED to be good but with a lot of newer FGs having PC, their winrate drop
not to say they're bad but why would you use a deck with 30%~35% winrate when you can use something that has 50%+ or in case of specific anti-FG like vulture+bonewall+thunderstorm with higher winrate
also, next time, please quote everything that are related and in this case my whole post on the matter to see the big picture
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your tricked up mono aether is a fine example of the power of mono aether vs false gods with no PCs
i wouldnt advise using mono aether vs any other FGs (although there are some variation, some of those can be found in other anti-FG decks) but paradox is truly a cakewalk with this deck
Post by: Higurashi on April 10, 2011, 02:24:39 am
'when you know they're coming' is completely offbase when what i had mentioned is meant to be regarded as a general statementThat's literally why I asked if it's what you meant. I don't see any room for misunderstanding there. x)
just because you're currently representing the element Aether doesnt mean you have to be gung-ho about a statement i made 3 months ago? come on nowI have no idea what to say to this. I even list the reasons why it sucks, so I have absolutely no idea how you can think I'm doing anything but saying it works, but it's not good. How you can interpret that as being gung-ho is just baffling.
You said any other and meant generally. That's the only clarification that was relevant, and thus the only thing I quoted. The rest of the post doesn't affect that, but the reason I suspected you meant generally is because of the rest of the post. I read the mood of it. Quoting it is pointless for that.
Not everyone's out to get you, kobis. You'll feel better if you don't turn flowers into thorns.
Post by: Jappert on April 14, 2011, 07:30:31 am
Upgraded everything except some pillars and the flayers. I won, but it was close.Code: [Select]5if 5if 5if 5if 5lk 5lk 5lk 5lk 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 622 622 622 622 623 623 623 623 623
This is funnier, and should hold the same %
First of all, Paradox will get some damage going before you get your hope shield up. Then he can buff a creature to hit through your Hope shield, so you'll still take soem damage. (I had to get 14 RoL's on the field to be safe).
Secondly Mindgate will fill your hand with hourglasses and deja-vu's. This resulted in almost decking out. He used 3 Miracles and a lucky mindgated TU won me the game in the end.
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Post by: burne on May 09, 2011, 09:23:53 am
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Shields are upped because you want his RoL to stay alive in order for him to play cards and deck him out.
Post by: Avenger on May 09, 2011, 03:58:35 pm
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on May 11, 2011, 08:01:59 pm
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Post by: stylish777 on June 23, 2011, 08:43:41 am
Started with one pendulum in my hand.. no suprise here that it ofcourse was the one pendulum that wasnt fire..
No problem ofcourse.. unless paradox starts with 4 or more rays of light, a few blessings and a morning glory.. wich ofcourse he did..
well after that second turn i drew a fire pendulum and could play the sog i had in my hand.. decided to wait a few turns and play a shield first (having this early was the one thing that didnt go wrong.) Ofcourse i didnt have an upped fireshield in my hand and with only 2 pendulums of wich one was light it took some time to accumulate 6 fire.
I played the shield, then a sog. The morning glory allready chopped about 20 HP of my bar. Paradox then pumped up a deja vu and i only had lances as cc.. after a few turns and blessings i decided i couldnt wait for the shield to kill it and waiting for a ragepot had allready taken most of my hp.. so as not to die misserably i used a lance. After that paradox kept spamming deja's and blessings so i used another.
My HP dropped to 7.. and i thankfully got some more sogs and paradox didnt play any TU's. Finally i healed back up to a safe zone. I rather had a ragepot or firestorm somewhere in the first 29 cards, but oh well.. all wasnt lost.
11 cards left.. i drew my first and last rage pot of the game (the 5 other pots + 3 firestorms where all hiding in the last 9 cards of the deck).. used it on a 5 att, wich by then didnt matter much anymore since there were two.
9 cards left i had the 4 lances i had left and over 162 fire quanta, played the mirror and wacked the annoyingly lucky FG to death..
In a nutshell.. the worst case scenario actually happened and not even that could stop the deck from killing paradox.
I'd say, if you're going upped, firestall is the way to go for this FG.
Post by: Higurashi on June 23, 2011, 10:42:23 am
Mainly, there are cards in the classic Firestall you don't need. For this reason, you can cut down on the size to 30 cards. As kobis has done, you can then add more effective CC.
Post by: xBerzerk on June 25, 2011, 08:11:56 pm
Deck doesn't work so well when Paradox doesn't play a single Ray of Light. (Considering there are 16 RoL's in Paradox's deck, my luck must be terrible.)
Post by: Rutarete on June 26, 2011, 04:58:56 pm
(http://vc22.com/hostbug/deckdoesnwork.png)Same happened to me. The first RoL came out the right before I died.
Deck doesn't work so well when Paradox doesn't play a single Ray of Light. (Considering there are 16 RoL's in Paradox's deck, my luck must be terrible.)
Post by: Jappert on June 27, 2011, 03:52:44 pm
Fat upped deck with plenty of rare but work great and grant huge EM reward.Works, but had to deck him out.Code: [Select]5c5 5c5 5c5 5c5 5c5 5c5 6rm 6rm 6rm 6rm 6rm 6rm 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7aj 7aj 7aj 7aj 7aj 7aj 7an 7an 7an 7an 7an 7an 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2Bad draw happens as there is a lot of cards but not so often.
Shields are upped because you want his RoL to stay alive in order for him to play cards and deck him out.
Might work better with the shield unupgraded so you can kill the RoL's. Miracle makes it a very boring match ;)
220 HP EM though.
Post by: burne on June 30, 2011, 12:16:21 pm
Decking him out is the goal of the deck. And the great reward make the time spent worthy.Fat upped deck with plenty of rare but work great and grant huge EM reward.Works, but had to deck him out.Code: [Select]5c5 5c5 5c5 5c5 5c5 5c5 6rm 6rm 6rm 6rm 6rm 6rm 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7aj 7aj 7aj 7aj 7aj 7aj 7an 7an 7an 7an 7an 7an 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2Bad draw happens as there is a lot of cards but not so often.
Shields are upped because you want his RoL to stay alive in order for him to play cards and deck him out.
Might work better with the shield unupgraded so you can kill the RoL's. Miracle makes it a very boring match ;)
220 HP EM though.
Shield is upgraded because you want it to play all its light powered cards and not to have its hand clogged by them.
It also grant more protection, cutting the unblessed déja vu damage by two. Could save your life.
Post by: Jappert on July 01, 2011, 04:58:22 pm
Post by: Xenocidius on July 10, 2011, 07:35:11 am
24-card "Mono" Aether does it well. Twin Universe could work here too, but he rarely blesses a creature above 7 attack.
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on August 06, 2011, 02:01:58 pm
Post by: russianspy1234 on August 10, 2011, 03:08:02 pm
This deck from one of the other FGs works well. If he puts up mirror shield instead of hope, just play your own and firebolt yourself.
Post by: Aves on August 23, 2011, 11:36:38 pm
Play Dim shields once you hit 18 cards in your deck, chain, wait for him to build up momentumn, play your phase dragons as they come, and then PU his blessed giant creature over and over at about 40-100 HP before your dragons would kill him. Simple.
Post by: Rember on August 24, 2011, 12:09:06 am
Ahem. Why doesn't anyone just use mono-aether? Cheap, no/minimal rares, effective.Either go with 3 lobos or 3 silences IMO. Should work though.
Play Dim shields once you hit 18 cards in your deck, chain, wait for him to build up momentumn, play your phase dragons as they come, and then PU his blessed giant creature over and over at about 40-100 HP before your dragons would kill him. Simple.
Post by: Aves on August 24, 2011, 12:39:22 am
Post by: ddevans96 on August 24, 2011, 01:01:26 am
I would add one more, just to be safe.
Post by: Rember on August 24, 2011, 01:36:05 am
Lobo would be solely for removing :light generation after blessings have been drawn out. Two miracles is probably more than the deck can handle, and definitely three.That. You would keep him between 2-6 light quanta and below 12. No need to lobo everything, he still gets to use blessings.
I would add one more, just to be safe.
Post by: Aves on August 24, 2011, 01:45:06 am
Post by: ddevans96 on August 24, 2011, 02:03:35 am
Post by: Rember on August 24, 2011, 02:06:10 am
Feel free to test both in trainer if you'd like. At the very least you'd save some time getting a quicker kill if he manages to pull a miracle and at best you'd prevent a loss due to chain breaking or whatever.
Post by: Aves on August 24, 2011, 02:14:10 am
I'm going to stubbornly stick to 1 lobo, though. Less rares = more newb friendly. My poor newb acc... I never did get around to using you again :(
On the plus side, it went from level 6 to 7 as a result. :)
Post by: Higurashi on August 24, 2011, 04:28:33 pm
Post by: Bhlewos on September 15, 2011, 07:38:37 am
Kept two RoLs in simply because of all the posts on this topic about Paradox not getting his RoLs in time and screwing over the RoL-less Hope decks. 4 SoGs for healing, though I only had one before I killed him. I'll slip in a Miracle for more EM success next time.
(http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy150/BhlewosAQW/ElementsTheGame/paradoxHopeCounter.png)
Post by: furballdn on September 27, 2011, 11:13:42 pm
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Post by: furballdn on October 12, 2011, 02:28:43 am
Post by: Polari on October 17, 2011, 12:25:24 pm
The idea is to sit behind a diamond shield and rewind anything with multiple blessings. I stabilized easily with a shield and one shard (with a second one shortly after). Having only one time tower didn't really matter. There should probably be a fourth shield for consistency. The second gemfinder is there because there's no reason to not play it instead of an unupped tower.
In any case, I failed to realize how fast Paradox fills his board and chokes on cards, so this might take too long to be worthwhile even for laughs with his 100-card deck. Or maybe he'll use the hourglasses to compensate, I don't know. With 40 cards in his deck I tried to move the browser tab aside and multitask, but instead found out that unlike Chrome, Firefox reloads the game when you undock the tab. GG.
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Post by: Toge111 on December 30, 2011, 02:15:48 pm
EMs should come easy with this deck.- Deckout comes easy with that deck. How do you burn through 200 hp with 4 spiders and 1 lobotomizer, all the while speeding through the deck with precognitions?
Post by: Higurashi on December 30, 2011, 02:20:29 pm
Post by: dragonsdemesne on January 19, 2012, 12:05:08 am
Post by: Sevs on January 19, 2012, 05:32:49 am
I used Instosis for a Paradox prediction today and it was an easy win. You could probably mod it a bit to be even better for paradox specifically; I don't think you need Chimera at all, for example, as I don't remember Paradox having shields.as i think higs mentioned before dim shield or an extra time tower are the best replacements for chimera
Post by: ashashin on January 23, 2012, 04:47:15 pm
there.
Post by: Boingo on February 11, 2012, 06:46:26 pm
I went with semi-upped (especially dragons) but should work unupped as well:
Post by: Stein90 on February 13, 2012, 03:10:36 pm
Here I list why I choose those cards
Steal: Take the opponent's hourglasses (draw speed up) or aether towers (quanta for DS activation)
Dimensional Shield: Protects you from attack (Mainly in the first part of the match)
Rain of Fire: Eliminate most of the RoL and Deja-vu summoned by Paradox
Elite Otyugh: Devour creatures with less than 6-5 hp
Gravity Shield: Blocks whatever Otyugh and RoF cannot eliminate (Mainly in the second part of the match)
Sanctuary: It recovers hp costantly, even slowing down Morning glory
Eternity: Prevents Deck out
Firefly Queen: Has offense power and works well with Eternity
This is a mostly-unupped version that i try in training mode, obviously a complete-upped deck will give you more chances to win.
What do you think about it?? ::)
Post by: Junkers on February 24, 2012, 05:55:21 pm
Lobotomize his Rays of Lights, so that he can't save up for Miracles or Blessing his creatures.Just beat my first false god using this deck. Kudos to the creator. I had one less hope in there, nonetheless, worked like a charm!!!
Fractal his Rays of Lights to provide your own Light quanta to fuel your Hope shield.
Then Fractal your own Dragons for the win. Be careful not to put out a Dragon too early, or he will Twin Universe it many, many times.
Post by: Elsin on March 07, 2012, 11:55:19 pm
i never get a card from the spin defeating the oracled false god :(
but i like playing Hope with enemy RoLs. cleans up the deck ;D
Post by: lolo262626 on March 24, 2012, 02:55:28 pm
I got Paradox today and figured that since he, you know, sucks balls, I figured there should be a way to 500hp-EM him. This is what I came up with:Got Paradox today and since I usually try to go for 500 HP EM's with the Oracle predictions I thought I'd check here to see what decks are suggested. Saw your deck and felt it should do the job, just added a 4th Diamond Shield because I was a bit worried of an early rush.
The idea is to sit behind a diamond shield and rewind anything with multiple blessings. I stabilized easily with a shield and one shard (with a second one shortly after). Having only one time tower didn't really matter. There should probably be a fourth shield for consistency. The second gemfinder is there because there's no reason to not play it instead of an unupped tower.
In any case, I failed to realize how fast Paradox fills his board and chokes on cards, so this might take too long to be worthwhile even for laughs with his 100-card deck. Or maybe he'll use the hourglasses to compensate, I don't know. With 40 cards in his deck I tried to move the browser tab aside and multitask, but instead found out that unlike Chrome, Firefox reloads the game when you undock the tab. GG.
It worked but I can confirm that it takes too long, he had 36 cards left when I had to start rewinding the gemfinder. Took me 66 turns to take him down and I actually had him down to 3 HP before he decked out, expected him to use a Miracle at some point, maybe he discarded them??
Anyway, an idea would maybe be to play a gravity mark and add an otyugh to clear his field a bit and allow him to play a few more cards....one would of course have to be careful not to let the otyugh get too big and having to deal with mass tu's.
I'm way too lazy to try it out right now, but I'll try it the next time I get him as Oracle prediction.
Woohoo first post on this forum 8)
Post by: majofa on March 26, 2012, 05:26:28 pm
Post by: lolo262626 on April 05, 2012, 07:37:37 am
So yeah, as you guessed, got him today as Oracle prediction and I went with Graboids, worked great, in fact I killed him too quickly and was only able to use 4 Granite Skins, not getting the 500 HP EM >:(
Best is most likely to use less Graboids, 1-2 should be enough in combination with Mitosis, giving you time to draw the 6 Skins.
Heal is also nice, it's main use being to secure the EM im case you don't win by deckout (he always has a Morning Glory dealing dam) but obviously it can also be used if HP's are running low.
With this in mind, I think the following accomplishes both goals: get a 500 HP EM while not having to wait 40+turns once his hand/field is full.
Added a 5th Shield too, simply because not drawing one is pretty much the only way to lose.
Post by: Mathematistic on May 06, 2012, 08:08:49 am
Post by: Seyren on May 11, 2012, 08:37:18 am
Post by: Zubon on June 03, 2012, 01:06:54 pm
I got Paradox today and figured that since he, you know, sucks balls, I figured there should be a way to 500hp-EM him. This is what I came up with:
The idea is to sit behind a diamond shield and rewind anything with multiple blessings. I stabilized easily with a shield and one shard (with a second one shortly after). Having only one time tower didn't really matter. There should probably be a fourth shield for consistency. The second gemfinder is there because there's no reason to not play it instead of an unupped tower.
In any case, I failed to realize how fast Paradox fills his board and chokes on cards, so this might take too long to be worthwhile even for laughs with his 100-card deck. Or maybe he'll use the hourglasses to compensate, I don't know. With 40 cards in his deck I tried to move the browser tab aside and multitask, but instead found out that unlike Chrome, Firefox reloads the game when you undock the tab. GG.
This is lovely and should work mostly un-upped. As planned, it is funny and successful. It is also SLOW, on the order of 15 minutes, so you probably have more time-efficient ways of getting that 320 electrum. I added another shield, removed a couple of Rewinds. As Polari says, one shard is enough to stabilize your hit points because the only damage source will be the weapon.
Post by: lolo262626 on June 06, 2012, 08:03:21 am
Post by: memimemi on June 13, 2012, 11:37:16 am
For speed's sake, next time I think I'll go with -2 HG, -2 :time Pendulum, +3 Shard of Patience. Even with the deck I have, won in 37 turns with 500hp EM - killed 'Dox with damage from Eternity, 2 Gemfinders, and my pet Parasite. Yup, 7 dmg/turn :).
Post by: deluxeloy on June 25, 2012, 09:08:49 am
Crap. I'm so stupid.
Post by: YawnChainHow on July 12, 2012, 07:53:15 pm
Post by: Barragor on October 05, 2012, 12:23:32 pm
He murdered me lol with tutus :-X
Post by: Dragoon on October 28, 2012, 12:21:06 pm
RT Blessed creatures.
Don’t start using Mitosis until you have all 6 Granite Skins and enough Earth to get to 500HP.
Save the last Granite Skin for the turn you’ll win in order to push your HP to a full 500.
Post by: Rutarete on November 16, 2012, 07:35:38 am
I refined lolo262626's 500HP EM deck.This worked pretty well.
RT Blessed creatures.
Don’t start using Mitosis until you have all 6 Granite Skins and enough Earth to get to 500HP.
Save the last Granite Skin for the turn you’ll win in order to push your HP to a full 500.
Post by: Chapuz on November 16, 2012, 12:15:43 pm
Post by: willng3 on November 16, 2012, 12:19:54 pm
What's that Graboid doing there? aren't you suposed to deck him out?Nah, you're supposed to get to 500HP. After that it doesn't matter if you win by damage or deck out.
Post by: Rutarete on November 16, 2012, 03:23:31 pm
It took a while, but I won by doing 4 damage a turn without encountering any miracles.What's that Graboid doing there? aren't you suposed to deck him out?Nah, you're supposed to get to 500HP. After that it doesn't matter if you win by damage or deck out.
Post by: Daenyathos on January 02, 2013, 10:39:45 am
Cheers!
Post by: Mort on January 02, 2013, 03:40:59 pm
Probably less reliable than the Silence variant that has made several appearances in this thread, but absolutely hilarious:Worked like a charm, thanks!
Post by: ColorlessGreen on January 15, 2013, 08:00:26 pm
Post by: Cielo on February 19, 2013, 09:49:45 am
My alt only has upped SoG, Phase Shield and Electrocutor, so I used Psion instead of Recluse...
And I had to lobo my psions :-[
Still EMed :P
Post by: Jonny on March 16, 2013, 09:27:22 pm
Probably less reliable than the Silence variant that has made several appearances in this thread, but absolutely hilarious:Worked like a charm, thanks!
For me too. This deck should go on the front page.
Instructions:
- start the shield chain late
- PU strong creatures only
- early rage potions can be used to deny :light (prevents both miracle and blessings)
- attempt one turn kill by using PU on strong creatures and boost with rage potion
Post by: ddevans96 on March 31, 2013, 01:19:06 am
Post by: trashduke on June 13, 2013, 07:06:51 pm
Probably less reliable than the Silence variant that has made several appearances in this thread, but absolutely hilarious:Worked like a charm, thanks!
For me too. This deck should go on the front page.
Instructions:
- start the shield chain late
- PU strong creatures only
- early rage potions can be used to deny :light (prevents both miracle and blessings)
- attempt one turn kill by using PU on strong creatures and boost with rage potion
Hmm. This deck didn't work for me at all. He basically tossed out a couple RoLs, then added two Deja Vu and I died a slow death before any shields came or any creatures became powerful enough to copy (I did Rage Potion a 5/5 Deja Vu before it copied itself, and another one later on after it had copied). How are you supposed to stop the build up of light quanta? A Rage potion every three turns doesn't seem to be very reliable CC. Maybe I just got a bad draw (with no shields, it seems that way), but I'm not sure this deck could keep up even with the shields.
Post by: Higurashi on June 13, 2013, 09:46:21 pm
I wouldn't recommend trying to deny :light in most matches. Dims have always been more than enough to defend against Paradox and similar FG's, and Miracle is easily circumvented.
But yes, you need to draw Shields. Sometimes you don't. Happens with all Dim decks that have no draw power. I'd love SoBe's in that deck if I ever used it, actually.
Post by: trashduke on June 28, 2013, 03:44:20 am
With Shields it's easy. Why? Because of when AI plays Miracle. You simply whittle them down with 10-20 attack per turn (depending on how bursty your deck is), then hit them for over 50 damage on the last turn when they have about 50 left.
I wouldn't recommend trying to deny :light in most matches. Dims have always been more than enough to defend against Paradox and similar FG's, and Miracle is easily circumvented.
But yes, you need to draw Shields. Sometimes you don't. Happens with all Dim decks that have no draw power. I'd love SoBe's in that deck if I ever used it, actually.
Right - I get the strategy, it just doesn't seem to work out for me. I even threw in three SoBrevs, but it didn't help much. This time he only had 2/2 deja vu-s on the field (but with 8 of them, the damage is not insignificant). I got the shields up and was waiting for a big creature to come... and they never came. I ended up TUing a couple deja vu-s but only did paltry damage. I died with 2 cards left, after all of my shields ran out.... He didnt' bless any Deja Vu-s or get any big creatures on the field. Just bad luck (again), I guess, but I think I'll try a different deck.
Post by: jsrjohnny on July 04, 2013, 07:41:47 pm
*Heavy voice* "YOU DID WELL."
Post by: trashduke on July 13, 2013, 04:42:58 pm
Post by: Luciferoh on July 20, 2013, 06:47:42 pm
Stop drawing when you have at least a Steam Machine on the field, a Phase Shield in play and a shield in hand. Should work unupgraded as well.
Post by: jsrjohnny on August 06, 2013, 07:07:58 pm
Post by: CuCN on November 13, 2013, 07:53:49 am
I refined lolo262626's 500HP EM deck.This worked pretty well.
RT Blessed creatures.
Don’t start using Mitosis until you have all 6 Granite Skins and enough Earth to get to 500HP.
Save the last Granite Skin for the turn you’ll win in order to push your HP to a full 500.
It worked, but I missed the 500HP EM because one Granite Skin was the last card in the deck and Paradox never played any miracles.
Post by: Youpla on November 13, 2013, 11:18:48 am
Stop drawing when you have at least a Steam Machine on the field, a Phase Shield in play and a shield in hand. Should work unupgraded as well.
Tried it, but I was lacking Aether quantum. Why not put it in some Aether Tower or change the mark to Aether?
Post by: Zso_Zso on November 19, 2013, 02:43:02 pm
It worked, but I missed the 500HP EM because one Granite Skin was the last card in the deck and Paradox never played any miracles.
Didn't work for me. Paradox buffed a deja-vu to 11 attack, then TUd it a few times then split them, generating like 10x11 attack critters suddenly which overwhelmed my single SoG + diamond defense (did not find an eternity yet, but even if I drew one, it could not handle such a burst damage).
So I tried to come up with something using dims but still aiming at 500HP and built this -- worked in trainer test:
Post by: majofa on February 24, 2014, 07:29:08 am
Post by: Daenyathos on May 29, 2014, 02:29:26 pm
Frankly, I don't even think the lightnings are necessary, more Lobotomizers would probably be better (I only have 2 upgraded, though). I think I'll replace them with an extra dragon, sanctuary and lobotomizer when I get Paradox again...
Post by: TheArchduke on June 20, 2014, 02:13:28 pm
I've had a very easy EM with this mod of the OP decks:
Frankly, I don't even think the lightnings are necessary, more Lobotomizers would probably be better (I only have 2 upgraded, though). I think I'll replace them with an extra dragon, sanctuary and lobotomizer when I get Paradox again...
Good deck, just used it to great effect, and I agree - the lightnings are not useful. Your extras are good suggestions, and I might also consider adding extra quanta generation and/or reducing the card count to 30. Very easy to avoid decking out by using the lobos to neutralize the ROLs.
This deck does still suffer from a common problem with paradox, which is that it is slow while Paradox is fast. Prepare yourself to get hit hard before you have the quanta to play a fractal, play all the ROLs, collect quanta from the ROLs, and then play Hope, especially if you don't have upped aether quanta generators. Still, when you get those out, it's smooth sailing from there.
Post by: jade_giant on July 02, 2015, 08:00:55 pm
Wait until Queens and Fireflies are big enough to one shot Paradox. Try to wait as late as possible to start the shield chain if you can (as in you will die the next time you take damage). Don't worry about how much damage you take as you can heal it all later. Draw liberally through the deck with hourglasses. Use Eternity to bounce 1 Firefly enough times for Feral Bond to heal for the EM if necessary.
Had one game where the 2 queens were literally the last 2 cards in the deck. Won with EM! I've won when the Feral Bond was the last card, when Shards came late, 4 Phase Shields were in the last 6 cards (seriously) and still won with EM!
Jade Giant
Post by: Grizzox on July 18, 2015, 05:43:24 pm
Ok, I've been playing this deck against Paradox and every game is an EM. I've never been a big fan of the Phase Shield based decks as I seem to get screwed by them regularly, but the Hourglasses negates that here. This is about the most stable deck I've played against a False god:
Em'ed with this fully upped. Liked it, but seemed strained for time quanta. Perhaps -1 Sundial and -1 QT, for +2 Time Pends?
EDIT: 4-0 EM's with this deck. Made the changes as above and never feel strained for Hourglasses or bouncing Fireflies.
Post by: TribalTrouble on February 25, 2018, 02:51:19 pm