Relic | Relic

[johannhowitzer]

Technically, a Pharaoh / Arctic Squid farm is the best possible money source.

[Pineapple]

A relic farm nets you 60 (EM win) + 15 (first two slots match each time) + 65*3 = 270 coins.

Compare it to pharaoh/squid:

Pharaoh selling price: 265
Squid selling price: 259
Average selling price: 262

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1091

The chance of winning exactly one and not winning anything else is .366*.618*.618 = 13.9%. You would win 60 + 5 + 262 = 327

The chance of winning exactly two and not winning anything else is .366*.366*.618 = 8.3%. You would win 60 + 10 + 262*2 = 594

The chance of winning three is .366*.366*.366 = 4.9%. You would win 60 + 15 + 262*3 = 861

Utility approximation of net electrum gain for one game:
.729*60 + .139*327 + .083*594 + .049*861 = 180.7

Give or take a couple electrum because the chance of winning exactly one squid is .366*.634*.634 = 14.7% and the chance of winning exactly two squids is .366*.366*.634 = 8.5%.

Anyways, 270 is far greater than 180.7, so relic farms are indeed more profitable than squid/pharaoh.

[deepdown]

^^^^ this is an interesting post: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1091.msg317219#msg317219

According to this with a 24tower/6pharaoh deck the net income is [265+5(spinreward)]*0,978(longrunchance)+60(EM)=324Electrum which is better than 270.

EDIT: and i did not counted the extra spin rewards with no card win.

[bucky1andonly]

Just something else relic related.  I think they should not be upgradeable.  This way newbs wont upgrade them and lose money, plus relics are still just a relic when upgraded only more expensive, so there is no point to upgrade them. 

[GG]

thats pretty hard then.
so much money.
i wish there where many relic farms in the t50.

I is a relic farm

[Monox D. I-Fly]

thats pretty hard then.
so much money.
i wish there where many relic farms in the t50.

I is a relic farm

So that's you?
Now I get it why everytime your name appears when I'm playing againts T50, I'm a bit relieved since it always looks that I can easily win. 

[Pineapple]

^^^^ this is an interesting post: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1091.msg317219#msg317219

According to this with a 24tower/6pharaoh deck the net income is [265+5(spinreward)]*0,978(longrunchance)+60(EM)=324Electrum which is better than 270.

EDIT: and i did not counted the extra spin rewards with no card win.

Correct me if I'm wrong (I have no background in probability) but wouldn't it be 256*(.338 + 2*.338^2 + 3*.338^3) = 174.7 (Net gain from selling all pharaohs from one game)?

So it'd be 174.7 + 60 = 234.7

[deepdown]

^^^^ this is an interesting post: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1091.msg317219#msg317219

According to this with a 24tower/6pharaoh deck the net income is [265+5(spinreward)]*0,978(longrunchance)+60(EM)=324Electrum which is better than 270.

EDIT: and i did not counted the extra spin rewards with no card win.

Correct me if I'm wrong (I have no background in probability) but wouldn't it be 256*(.338 + 2*.338^2 + 3*.338^3) = 174.7 (Net gain from selling all pharaohs from one game)?

So it'd be 174.7 + 60 = 234.7

lol, i'm not a big math freak either, according to the linked table theres 97.78% chance to win a pharaoh in one game, which is 3 spins. Since the relic income is calculated with 3 spins -> that's why i sipmlified to win one  pharaoh + atleast one spinreward x the long run chance 97.78% (in several hundreds of games), that's all. But correct me too please someone more competent, if i'm completely wrong.

[artimies7]

I got two of them in the same spin against a T50, then sold them both within the hour minute. Derp.

[Monox D. I-Fly]

I got two of them in the same spin against a T50, then sold them both within the hour minute. Derp.

I often even get three of them in the same spin against T50, though sometime it's really, really hard to beat a Relic farm deck since they use various powerful Nymphs.

[artimies7]

I got two of them in the same spin against a T50, then sold them both within the hour minute. Derp.

I often even get three of them in the same spin against T50, though sometime it's really, really hard to beat a Relic farm deck since they use various powerful Nymphs.

Well, after that I EM'd another farm and got 3 more. Nymphs can't handle all the Mitosis I got going!

[Monox D. I-Fly]

I often even get three of them in the same spin against T50, though sometime it's really, really hard to beat a Relic farm deck since they use various powerful Nymphs.

Well, after that I EM'd another farm and got 3 more. Nymphs can't handle all the Mitosis I got going!
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Unfortunately, my water deck isn't strong enough to beat those Nymphs, so playing against Relic-farm deck is quite hard for me.