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Re: Why do we need to save tigers? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7175.msg79544#msg79544
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2010, 03:20:08 pm »
I wish there was this big of a movement to save the dodo birds, Ive always wanted to see one in real life. :(

Thats why, so no one ever has to miss seeing them, well I guess thats why anyways. We are basically saying, screw survival of the fittest.
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Re: Why do we need to save tigers? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7175.msg79575#msg79575
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2010, 03:49:52 pm »
Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone..

Wardead, where is that negative karma button when you need it.

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Re: Why do we need to save tigers? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7175.msg79587#msg79587
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2010, 04:17:34 pm »
common they arent just stones without feelings without lifes and normally they dont do anything too humans its motstly becosue humans are taking them places also it seems wardead is a brutal aftatoxin hole i mean ones he said hes somone who loves dead and war he wnats more war and wants people to have war(way before war in elements)

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Re: Why do we need to save tigers? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7175.msg79653#msg79653
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2010, 05:59:51 pm »
Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got till it's gone..

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Re: Why do we need to save tigers? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7175.msg79678#msg79678
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2010, 06:44:04 pm »
Well, self preservation is understandable. But, killing other life just because you can when there are way more threatening things in this world (examples above and at the first page)?
I agree, but i don't think tigers are killed by humans that don"t care. I think they are killed by people who fear for their life.
I have a friend in a country where there is very dangerous insects. Of course, they will not extinct, but when I went here, I didn't
think about the animal, i just killed them as quickly as possible when they try to reach my feet. You don't think in such times,
You just act to avoid pain/poison/death :death...

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Re: Why do we need to save tigers? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7175.msg79916#msg79916
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2010, 11:42:05 pm »
Well, self preservation is understandable. But, killing other life just because you can when there are way more threatening things in this world (examples above and at the first page)?
I agree, but i don't think tigers are killed by humans that don"t care. I think they are killed by people who fear for their life.
I have a friend in a country where there is very dangerous insects. Of course, they will not extinct, but when I went here, I didn't
think about the animal, i just killed them as quickly as possible when they try to reach my feet. You don't think in such times,
You just act to avoid pain/poison/death :death...
Definitely, bugs have the most secure ways of self preservation. Like a dust mite for example, I believe the males stab the females and inject their sperm inside them. It seems disturbing, but that ensures that the female would not need to mate anymore and could lay fertilized eggs for the rest of it's life span. I think tigers or rather quadrupedal mammals are very different from bugs, though. No mammal can reproduce as efficiently as an insect.

On that matter about insects, it's self preservation when one protects themselves against insects and parasites. They are very, very nasty things. You can kill them, but they'll probably outlive us in the future anyway. On the tiger, their numbers are so low because people kill them because they really don't care. Poachers only think about money and there are people who feel the need to own a piece of certain animals as a symbol of power.

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Re: Why do we need to save tigers? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7175.msg79998#msg79998
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2010, 01:00:00 am »
Poachers only think about money and there are people who feel the need to own a piece of certain animals as a symbol of power.
Then governments should make the tiger meat/fur/trinket trade legal.  Making something illegal doesn't stop it from happening and if it were legal people would set up tiger farms for profit.  It may not be their natural way of life, but it would at least preserve them.  Cows, chickens, and pigs aren't going extinct anytime soon.

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Re: Why do we need to save tigers? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7175.msg80223#msg80223
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2010, 07:33:11 am »
Poachers only think about money and there are people who feel the need to own a piece of certain animals as a symbol of power.
Then governments should make the tiger meat/fur/trinket trade legal.  Making something illegal doesn't stop it from happening and if it were legal people would set up tiger farms for profit.  It may not be their natural way of life, but it would at least preserve them.  Cows, chickens, and pigs aren't going extinct anytime soon.
I doubt it would be efficient due to the costs if they tried. Tigers can only have about 7 offspring each litter with a normal rate of only two surviving. I'm not sure of the survival rate in a controlled environment, but if they did have a great survival rate at all, wouldn't there be more tigers in reserves? I wonder how silly groups like PETA and such would react to that.

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Re: Why do we need to save tigers? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7175.msg80227#msg80227
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2010, 07:37:22 am »
And I think I'm extroverting myself too much, so I'll shut up. :)

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Re: Why do we need to save tigers? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7175.msg85297#msg85297
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2010, 10:57:22 pm »
I feel like someone is trying to squirrel out of their social study assignment by getting someone (us) to do the homework for them.  :P


Why save Tigers?  There's a lot of good reason for it (ignore the propaganda by both the tree-huggers and greedy capitalists for now).

1)  Population Control, this is the same reason why we try to save wolves, sharks, falcons and many other top predators.  There were MANY actual experiments done (intentionally and otherwise) that prove losing/lack of top predators will cause major problem.  Even the extinction of prey species cause major problems, look at the impact of wiping out the bisons from most of North America.  That's why we have re-introduction programs at Yellowstone, Canadian Arctic, Rockies, even urban cities.

Here's an example of what happens when an area loses a top predator, I'm going to go with wolves since they have more data than other species.

Location - Boreal Forest with plentiful streams and creeks
Locally Extinct species - Wolf

Primary Detrimental Effect - Explosion of prey species, especially white-tail deers
Secondary Detrimental Effect - Deers no longer fear to feed near "ambush" areas, saplings and other plants are eaten clean along the ambush area (normally near waterways)
Additional Detrimental Effect - No new growth of plants in the following years, causing a lack of food for majority of the species, leading to massive die offs.  No replacement of natural die off of plants.  Increased erosion due to lack of any root systems.  Waterways dries up, become murky or become altered significantly to cause changes in the local environment due to increased erosion and silt.  Other predator become affected as source of food in the waterways are removed/altered.  Overall changes in the system causes shift/decrease in annual GDP of the land.  Species looking for food head "cultivated" lands in search of food, deers compete for grazing against farm animals, predators comes to farm land to seek preys, biomass cycle become disrupted, causing shifts in nitrogen fixations and other cycles that can adversely affect crops.

Tiger has a list/chart of its own, just don't want to share it directly in case this IS someone's homework xP

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Re: Why do we need to save tigers? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7175.msg95623#msg95623
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2010, 03:12:46 am »
Simple. We should save tigers because tigers are cats.

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Re: Why do we need to save tigers? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7175.msg110844#msg110844
« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2010, 05:36:08 am »
We save tigers because if they died out it would upset the food chain. And we have this weird tendency as humans to fight over whether or not we should save things or let them die... Or we just kill them to get rid of them faster.

 

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