Tea Party march on Washington / Single Payer healthcare

[Evil Hamster]

An aside- I'll reply to your post later....

The worst president in American history (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/americas_three_worst_president.html) is claiming  if you oppose the Messiahs healthcare reform it's because youre racist (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090916/D9AO5MA00.html).

I wonder what they would call us if it was Hillary in the oval office- I suppose we'd all be sexist then.

Ridiculous.

[Evil Hamster]

Jeez. Get off the fricken TV already. I've never been happier I don't have cable 

Question- if the American people supported government bureaucrats dictating their healthcare would this be necessary?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/obama-may-do-back-to-back-tv-interviews-sunday/

I count 5! interviews in one day

Maybe I should start a blog!

[Evil Hamster]

What your "representatives" actually think of you (scroll to 1:20 if you don't want to watch the whole thing)

[Evil Hamster]

So what sort of comments are in your head when you watch this?

A million and a half people marched on Washington last Saturday.

This guy obviously spent the whole day there and cut whatever he filmed down to 10 minutes of the few loons and a few people who didn't know what they were talking about. You'll find that in any large group.

A few points:

The guy talking about there won't be enough doctors- that's not true yet. It might be in the future. Who wants to go through 8 years of schooling after college to earn minimum wage under a government run reimbursement scheme? They will never pay off their school loans. That's not the real reason to oppose the government takeover of healthcare.

Joe Wilson voted for healthcare for illegal aliens- a tiny part of Bushs enormous "prescription" plan. That does not change the fact Obama was lying about not covering them. Illegal aliens are already getting free healthcare- no hospital can turn them away if they come in for treatment.

Obama is the anti-christ- that remark is stupid enough to not even warrant an answer.

Obama is not "African American"- His mother was caucasian. His father was Arab. So he's not what we traditionally call "African American", but his father WAS born in Africa so that's a technicality.

Obama "Brown Shirts"-

Czars- The filmmaker lied. Reagan didn't appoint the first "czar". Nixon did.Reagan did appoint a "czar" at the recommendation of.... Joe Biden! It wasn't even called a Czar until Biden coined the term. And until the Obama administration they were largely advisory positions. Under Obama they now have the power to make decisions.

The ending quote-
"all that stands in the way of universal health care in America are the greed of the medical-industrial complex, the lies of the right-wing propaganda machine, and the gullibility of voters who believe those lies."
The "medical-industrial complex" mostly supports the nationalization of healthcare. As do the malpractice and trial lawyer special interest groups. The only group that opposes it are the American People. I wanted to go to that march last weekend. Only problem it was my weekend with the kids and I couldn't afford to pay for all of us to go. There was no special interests providing busses. The local group that left from here rented one and would cost $40/person. If there was a special interest group or insurance company providing the bus, I'd have been happy to go!

In the end there's only ONE reason to oppose "universal healthcare":

The Constitution of the United States absolutely prohibits it.

[Evil Hamster]

I watch America in amusement from Canada.  Americans might be fired up about a non-existent bill that will give government some power over the health care industry, but it's not 1% as fired up as Canadians would be if our socialized health care industry was going private.  Peculiar at least.

As far as I know the bill is to have the following: an insurance company that aims for the least profit possible without going under regulated by the government.  Everyone who used the public option would still have to pay for insurance, but the CEO would take home only a few 10's of millions of dollars as apposed to  private insurance CEO's taking home a couple billions- effectively decreasing the cost 90%.  If no one wants it, they don't have to use it, and tax payer $$$ will not be used to pay for care for those insured.

Think of it a little like this,

That has to be one of the funniest videos I've seen recently

Horribly inaccurate- but still funny.

As for your claims- According to surveys I've seen Canadians at best have an overall mediocer opinion of their healthcare system- compared to the US where most people have a high opinion of our system. There are many places on the internet you can google for where people have taken the health care bills currently being considered and proved- coverage for illegals is fundamental, "death panels" are how they plan to save money- Even Obama personally said a 99 year old should not get a pacemaker but instead take a pain pill, etc. The CEO pay is a red herring- even the overblown numbers youre claiming wouldn't have any significant effect on prices- not as much as the millions of union worker bureaucrats the bill will add RAISING costs. And private insurers will be banned from EVER adding any new people to their insurance plans- forcing people through attrition into the government plan.

[Evil Hamster]

There are many places on the internet you can google for where people have taken the health care bills currently being considered and proved- coverage for illegals is fundamental

Perhaps if you don't know the whole story.  All relative citations linked.

"death panels" are how they plan to save money- Even Obama personally said a 99 year old should not get a pacemaker but instead take a pain pill, etc.

People die. I don't think you have fully accepted that.  Still the 'death panels' are not in the current legislature so it's not important.  But.. aside from government involvement or not, are your against end of life counseling?

This pretty sums up my opinion.:

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private insurers will be banned from EVER adding any new people to their insurance plans- forcing people through attrition into the government plan.

Where can I verify that?

I don't have time to watch your videos at the moment.

The congressional research service report on illegal alien coverage (http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/R40773_20090825.pdf)

People do die. That's a fact of life. Our healthcare system currently does it's best to prolong life as long as possible. "Death panels" is a colorful term coined by Sarah Palin to describe the rationing of care based on "societal worth" recommended by Obamas healthcare advisor. (http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/08/inconvenient-truth-about-death-panel.html) (I actually learned a little more reading that!) It's not in the current legislation- because it would be political suicide. Instead they will set up a comission to make those decisions so they (politicians) don't have to take the blame for those decisions.

Or just listen to Obama:

New policies banned?
"Insurance Companies Banned From Writing New Private Individual Policies – H.R. 3200 contains provisions that will kill private health insurance directly by banning insurance companies from writing new private individual policies." (http://www.danawalshforcongress.com/What's%20Really%20in%20the%20Health%20Care%20Bill.pdf) (sorry I don't have time to find a better source- was the first link on google)

You can read the bill yourself here (if you're bored!):
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

[Uncle Jellyfish]

I watch America in amusement from Canada.  Americans might be fired up about a non-existent bill that will give government some power over the health care industry, but it's not 1% as fired up as Canadians would be if our socialized health care industry was going private.  Peculiar at least.

As far as I know the bill is to have the following: an insurance company that aims for the least profit possible without going under regulated by the government.  Everyone who used the public option would still have to pay for insurance, but the CEO would take home only a few 10's of millions of dollars as apposed to  private insurance CEO's taking home a couple billions- effectively decreasing the cost 90%.  If no one wants it, they don't have to use it, and tax payer $$$ will not be used to pay for care for those insured.

Think of it a little like this,

That video was so funny I actually favorited it. XD

I've really not much of an opinion one way or the other, since I really don't know much about either, and because honestly...I don't give a damn. I just liked the video.

[Uzra]

I watch America in amusement from Canada.  Americans might be fired up about a non-existent bill that will give government some power over the health care industry, but it's not 1% as fired up as Canadians would be if our socialized health care industry was going private.  Peculiar at least.

As far as I know the bill is to have the following: an insurance company that aims for the least profit possible without going under regulated by the government.  Everyone who used the public option would still have to pay for insurance, but the CEO would take home only a few 10's of millions of dollars as apposed to  private insurance CEO's taking home a couple billions- effectively decreasing the cost 90%.  If no one wants it, they don't have to use it, and tax payer $$$ will not be used to pay for care for those insured.

Think of it a little like this,

[Uzra]

There are many places on the internet you can google for where people have taken the health care bills currently being considered and proved- coverage for illegals is fundamental

Perhaps if you don't know the whole story.  All relative citations linked.

"death panels" are how they plan to save money- Even Obama personally said a 99 year old should not get a pacemaker but instead take a pain pill, etc.

People die. I don't think you have fully accepted that.  Still the 'death panels' are not in the current legislature so it's not important.  But.. aside from government involvement or not, are your against end of life counseling?

This pretty sums up my opinion.:

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private insurers will be banned from EVER adding any new people to their insurance plans- forcing people through attrition into the government plan.

Where can I verify that?

[Uzra]

I don't have time to watch your videos at the moment.

The congressional research service report on illegal alien coverage (http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/R40773_20090825.pdf)

The summary says that immigrants will have to be insured or else pay a tax that would go to public insurance.  It clearly says Illegals won't be covered.  You know your teacher with the funny accent? He's an immigrant.  It also says that if someone has been waiting for over 3 years to be made a permanent resident they can have access Because they will spend the rest of their life in the states more often than not.

People do die. That's a fact of life. Our healthcare system currently does it's best to prolong life as long as possible. "Death panels" is a colorful term coined by Sarah Palin to describe the rationing of care based on "societal worth" recommended by Obamas healthcare advisor. (http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/08/inconvenient-truth-about-death-panel.html) (I actually learned a little more reading that!) It's not in the current legislation- because it would be political suicide. Instead they will set up a comission to make those decisions so they (politicians) don't have to take the blame for those decisions.

The 2nd video I posted talks about this.  Also Palin didn't coin the term herself, she just popularized it.  What they will and won't do after this legislature is at best someone's guess - and you can always fight that when/if it happens.

Or just listen to Obama

I don't get it. He's saying that there is a lot of money literally wasted regardless of societal value.  Do you deny this?  He says that the waste is part of the problem.  Do you deny this? Do you deny that there is a problem?  He said, to paraphrase, 'if we assume that the 50 000$ surgery increases one's life, on average, by 3 months and often time not at all, and you are poor to the point that you are on medicare, that is waste'.  It's a hard fact to deal with but that's no reason to not deal with it.

New policies banned?
"Insurance Companies Banned From Writing New Private Individual Policies – H.R. 3200 contains provisions that will kill private health insurance directly by banning insurance companies from writing new private individual policies." (http://www.danawalshforcongress.com/What's%20Really%20in%20the%20Health%20Care%20Bill.pdf)

This doesn't really show anything.  Point out what part of the actual referable bill that would do this and I'll concede on this point. For now considering that it's coming from the people who said he's a Muslim terrorist without a birth certificate, and that the current legislature DOES have death panels in it, I'll trust Obama until it's been shown he's not trustworthy.

Jeez. Get off the fricken TV already. I've never been happier I don't have cable 

Question- if the American people supported government bureaucrats dictating their healthcare would this be necessary?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/obama-may-do-back-to-back-tv-interviews-sunday/

I count 5! interviews in one day

Maybe I should start a blog!

There are so many things wrong with this.  The answer, that I shouldn't give cuase this is just silly, is that he needs 5 interviews a day to erase the misinformation that anyone would be dictating health care in the first place.  Not that people like ann coulter are amenable to new information that doesn't fit in with their self-enforcing anti-obama dogma.

[Evil Hamster]

Socialized medicine is great- 5 out of 6 medical diagnoses are correct!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6216559/One-in-six-NHS-patients-misdiagnosed.html

[Evil Hamster]

People die. I don't think you have fully accepted that.  Still the 'death panels' are not in the current legislature so it's not important.  But.. aside from government involvement or not, are your against end of life counseling?

This pretty sums up my opinion.:

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I hadn't watched this video before because John Liebowitz is an unfunny moron.

But since the game is down I have some time... and the video is not even the non-comedian! It's somebody even dumber.

Seriously- yet another profit is evil and government is good buffoon??

Think about it. What country is responsible for the vast majority of medical technology improvements in the last two centuries? That's right- the for PROFIT system here in the US. If the US had started out with a "single payer" system we would still be using leeches and snake oil for most diseases.

He's admitting there will need to be death panels while attacking the term. He said we need to die "cheaper" like in Europe. If we have a single-payer system that will be true. It's not NECESSARY to kill people off prematurely to save money in the "evil" for-profit system we have now.

Another fallacy is that routine checkups are not covered. He's lying about the fictional 7 year old who can't get a checkup. Since ALL children are REQUIRED by law to get checkups at various ages or they can't attend school- that would be a lot of kids who aren't even in grade school.

He also said 20,000 people will die because they don't have insurance. I say 100 million people will die in the US every year under a single payer system (yes, everybody in the US will be dead in 3 years). Both statements contain the same amount of truth. Nobody dies from lack of healthcare in this country. Not even people here illegally. You can go to a hospital and they are REQUIRED to treat you regardless of your ability to pay.

The truth is special interests interested in profit and power are pushing for this universal healthcare plan. Drug companies stand to profit tremendously. They can force taxpayers to foot the bill for their over-priced price-protected drugs. Trial lawyers (Obama was one) will profit from an increase in "malpractice" cases. The Service Employees Union (SEIU) will have several million new members- all the government bureaucrats who will need to be hired.

Under Obamas plan the rich will get richer and the poor will become more numerous as the "middle class" gets further destroyed.

I haven't seen a single special interest opposing this- unless the American people are considered one.