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Re: Open Discussion about Forum Mafia games https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57394.msg1177748#msg1177748
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2015, 12:14:23 am »
In a set up where the discussion is closed off to only the thread, what about a civvy role that allows conversation between that civvy and 1 other person (he can talk to everyone, but only 1 person at a time) Thoughts on that? This way if a mafioso accidentally PMs the wrong person they arnt confirmed mafia.
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Re: Open Discussion about Forum Mafia games https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57394.msg1177751#msg1177751
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2015, 12:44:38 am »
In a set up where the discussion is closed off to only the thread, what about a civvy role that allows conversation between that civvy and 1 other person (he can talk to everyone, but only 1 person at a time) Thoughts on that? This way if a mafioso accidentally PMs the wrong person they arnt confirmed mafia.

It's actually a legitimate role, named Mason.
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Re: Open Discussion about Forum Mafia games https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57394.msg1178368#msg1178368
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2015, 01:23:49 pm »
Elbirn makes very good points. About "2. It leads to a game not about discussion, but about utilizing powers to solve the case.", well, I think over here there is an over reliance of power roles to do the jobs. Food for thought next mafia I host, I guess.

I'm just afraid that it is impossible to enforce the no PM rule.
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Re: Open Discussion about Forum Mafia games https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57394.msg1178377#msg1178377
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2015, 05:10:39 pm »
I'm just afraid that it is impossible to enforce the no PM rule.

Unless hosts = forum mods/admins who can snoop through everyones PMs? Nope. :P I'd really hope we could rely on an honor system..
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Re: Open Discussion about Forum Mafia games https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57394.msg1178378#msg1178378
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2015, 05:16:01 pm »
Just because we can't "enforce" it doesn't mean it's a bad rule or anything. We can't completely "enforce" that players plays illegal decks in organized pvp and then lies about the deck he plays either. That doesn't exactly mean we should stop having organized pvp.
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Re: Open Discussion about Forum Mafia games https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57394.msg1178388#msg1178388
« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2015, 07:02:05 pm »
The thing about the rule is, for it to be broken, it requires two people. So its practically always gonna work.
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Re: Open Discussion about Forum Mafia games https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57394.msg1178602#msg1178602
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2015, 03:48:35 pm »
I'm just afraid that it is impossible to enforce the no PM rule.

Unless hosts = forum mods/admins who can snoop through everyones PMs? Nope. :P I'd really hope we could rely on an honor system..
I'll trust you guys on this. Personally, think I would not mind its enforcement.
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Re: Open Discussion about Forum Mafia games https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57394.msg1178603#msg1178603
« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2015, 04:01:43 pm »
It is impossible for any mod/admin to read other players PMs anyway.
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Re: Open Discussion about Forum Mafia games https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57394.msg1195245#msg1195245
« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2015, 06:57:05 pm »
I'm reviving this topic, because i found a new problem with Mafia games. After talking to some people around, it seems it became a trend that players lose interest halfway during the game. I really wished that this had a solution, because the people who host these games wait long months even to be able to host. But if the players lose interest midway, the whole waiting will become pointless. :/

If you can relate to this, please help figure this out. What made you lose interest? What would make you be interested again? Some of my ideas are:

ProblemsPossible solutions
The waiting between two phases is so long, that players get bored after a while.  Shorter day and night phases.
  Punctuality.
There's no reason to even try, the enemy already won, our faction can only win if we get extremely lucky.  When creating the rules, make sure that you don't give early win conditions to any team.
  Make abilities less powerful as the game advances.
I can't do anything to even affect the outcome, i don't even have a useful role.  Try making every role powerful without depending on others. (this was never done before)
I'm doing my best to win, but my teammates are inactive / illogical / throwing the game / killing each other on purpose / etc.  If this happens, the others already lost interest. This has no real solution yet, thus why i'm trying to solve it.
  I really got nothing here. :/
People are not discussing anything in the game thread. They make their own alliances and communicate in chat / PMs / private pads / etc. This makes me feel exiled / untrusted.  It would be nice if people discussed in the game thread more, but that is very dangerous if you're being too useful, because you risk being killed next night. A solution would be if all players became suddenly useful, but that doesn't have a possible reach.
  A solution that seemed to work every time was giving the players a small, but reliable alliance to begin with. Everything becomes brighter when you have a trusty sidekick. :)
I'm gonna die, just because a player ordered others to throw votes at me!
Spoiler for Too long:
Others follow blindly, saying that they need to vote on someone anyway, and they have no clue about anything (these guys are usually scum).
  In case there are too much votes on someone, it's barely possible to make the majority change in time, so maybe implement a vote limit.
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  The real solution can only be done in real-time, no precautions can be made about this. If this happens, there's probably a reason why you gathered so much attention. If you're sure that they are wrong, keep calm. Losing your calm will only make you look more suspicious. Explain your recent actions in public (they probably won't say why they suspect you, so you need to look back and try to figure it out what could possible make you look suspicious). Tell the truth, don't lie. If that is too dangerous to do in public, the first one you should convince is the person who started the vote train on you (those people are usually town, so you can trust them). If you have a sidekick or another player who can confirm you're innocent, make sure that he contacts the leader too. If you fail to convince the leader to stop the vote train, you can either try to separately convince those who voted on you or just speak out publicly and see how it goes.
  If you're rightfully suspected, you cannot really do anything. If all else fails, you can always try the Cute Fuzzy Kitten Defense.
I'm always the first to be killed in any mafias. Why should i even start playing?  One possible solution can be found in the OP, under point 5: Stereotypical Behaviour.
  Try to play differently than usually. Go out of your usual way, do something new. Even if your usual tactics are perfect, don't use them. That is why you die, just play a bit less effectively on purpose. If you do so, make sure that you announce it. The more people do this, the merrier. Constantly refer back to this and the people will then remember. Warning: If you start using this strategy when you're actually mafia, you'll probably won't be trusted in any of your future games.
  Examples of new behaviour: play blindly, take bold risks, show people some humor so you will be worth keeping alive, role-play for fun and stay in character, make funny overreactions, etc.

Of course, these are only my opinions. ^^" I'm interested in other people's opinions not only about the problem in question, but also about my opinions. :)
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